Alec's best of the forum (and elsewhere) [v2]

Ive had a break for a while, before Odyssey, and am enjoying the exploration side of things. I've found it's never wise to let your happiness be dependent on on the thoughts and opinions of others. :)

Edit: Although the route plotter is somewhat irking me by forgetting where ive set it to!
 
Yes the route plotter has never exactly been great... Though it's picked up a few more issues since Odyssey dropped.
Ive got to keep resetting the route if I fly to a planet in a system as although it shows up on the galaxy map, the in-ship plotter just has no clue :) Anyhow, not the place for this, as you were :)
 

Ozric

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Ive got to keep resetting the route if I fly to a planet in a system as although it shows up on the galaxy map, the in-ship plotter just has no clue :) Anyhow, not the place for this, as you were :)
No, and this will be the last from me too, apologies Alec. But there is an issue for it here https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/34303
If you have a keybind for 'Next system in route' you can push that and it does remember it :)
 
They did acknowledge it in the early stages, but to be blunt what they're doing is no different from any group expanding any Minor Faction. I think they're a little busy right now trying to stabilise things to say well done to some people for gaining another few systems.
I should probably drop this but ... that's a bit like saying Distant Worlds is no different to any other group expedition, it's a question of scale. Also, it was never about "gaining another few systems" ... it was a grand experiment to see if another step on the road to Raxxla and/or the discovery of the Dark Wheel's true home could be triggered (not simply another tin foil wild goose chase but a genuine possibility). Considering how significant these things are to the lore of Elite, and how unlikely it is that such a large and focused group effort to make something happen in this regard will likely ever happen again ... sorry, I know Frontier were busy with other things ... but the moment (which has now probably passed) deserved a mention. Perhaps when things settle down it will still get one (better late then never). I hope so.

But the way I look at it is there are enough issues with the game itself that need ironing out, that people finding extra things to be annoyed about and put the boot in to Frontier with is not only unhelpful, it's completely unnecessary.
I hear you ... sorry ... I'll go back to my former position now of trying not to say anything if you can't say something nice (which I'll admit I've not been entirely successfull at).
 
As someone who has been turning that wheel for the better part of over a year (on and off), those words mean alot Alec! Thanks!

But we are still continuing, just at a low energy state. There are a couple of systems I/We would like to still try however.

But it would be nice to know if we are even on the right track or not ya know.
 

Ozric

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I should probably drop this but ... that's a bit like saying Distant Worlds is no different to any other group expedition, it's a question of scale. Also, it was never about "gaining another few systems" ... it was a grand experiment to see if another step on the road to Raxxla and/or the discovery of the Dark Wheel's true home could be triggered (not simply another tin foil wild goose chase but a genuine possibility). Considering how significant these things are to the lore of Elite, and how unlikely it is that such a large and focused group effort to make something happen in this regard will likely ever happen again ... sorry, I know Frontier were busy with other things ... but the moment (which has now probably passed) deserved a mention. Perhaps when things settle down it will still get one (better late then never). I hope so.

Initially it was to expand TDW into Sol (expanding a PMF had been tried years previously) but that was concluded as a goal at the beginning of April if I'm not mistaken, so that would have been the time for the Galnet article.

Distant Worlds was probably the first major community operation, and it was a great way for the community to come together and experience the game. Distant Worlds 2 was a similar thing, but they petitioned Frontier to intervene and add assets to the game to tie in with their expedition, maybe that's where the assumption that Frontier would step in and do something if enough fuss was made was borne from.

I've been chasing UAs and mysteries in this game for over 5 years now, everything's a genuine possibility to those who try it ;) I've taken part in my share of things that should have had an impact given the in game information, but didn't. Getting large groups of players together and moving in one direction is certainly tricky, and to be commended whenever people manage it. But when you're wrapped up in them it can be hard to detach yourself and look at things pragmatically. It certainly won't be the last.


I hear you ... sorry ... I'll go back to my former position now of trying not to say anything if you can't say something nice (which I'll admit I've not been entirely successfull at).
That was not directed solely at you, but mainly the things you were mentioning. I'll say again that I think it's perfectly fine to highlight issues where they exist, and not only that it's right to do so. But often the lines between an actual issue and a personal grievance are once again becoming blurred. All in my opinion. 💜
 
I now feel bad contributing to the general malaise.
Please don't apologize. This is what makes you a very trustworthy voice in the Elite community. The "white knights" are those who blindly "love" EVERYTHING Frontier does, regardless if it's good or bad. Because of this, I can't trust them at all. The haters are the same but opposite. People like you, you're legit, and I appreciate that.

I once told my wife when she accused me of being too honest regarding questions like, "Does this dress make me look fat?" that, "Consider this, when I do say something like, 'Wow, you look great in that dress!' you know I'm telling the truth and not just flattering you." She has come to appreciate my honesty (and vice-versa) rather than dishonest flattery, the latter of which has been the demise of more than one relation I'm my circle of friends.

So the next time you have something good to say about Elite, I'm going to believe what you have to say, because you were not afraid or unwilling to say something bad about Elite when Elite was (is) indeed bad.
 
I rarely have much input into things, always happy to put an oar in now and again but I have one comment I want to share. Elite Odyssey may be good/ bad depending on your viewpoint, but what I can see is still a really strong and vibrant community spirit going on. I genuinely believe given time that things will work out. I just hope that the Amazing spirit outlasts the time it takes to repair Odyssey.

I for one hope and think it will. Time will tell.

Rant over..I am going to break some ships.
 
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Initially it was to expand TDW into Sol (expanding a PMF had been tried years previously) but that was concluded as a goal at the beginning of April if I'm not mistaken, so that would have been the time for the Galnet article.
I think more hope was pinned on the expansion into LFT 509 to be honest (whose swing and a miss has only just happened and which marks far more of an end-point to the project than the Sol expansion) ... but I wasn't going to go on about it. 😉
 
Back to business as usual and (especially since Saturday marked exactly one year since the Turning The Wheel project began!) it would be remiss of me not to give Turning The Wheel a shoutout (even if Frontier currently have bigger fish to fry).

I guess this is as good a place as any to drop into the latest conversation ..


I will probably try to do a bit of a Trending update when I have a bit more time on my hands (I'll probably start by clearing out all the pre-Odyssey trending posts ... let's start afresh and see if we can find some good in this world that's worth fighting for!)

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rootsrat

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Is that the thing where your taxi lands on a planet where it's too hot/cold to get out ... and then just waits for you to get out?

Can't you just re-log to Horizons?

That works in the above scenario I think. In my case I'm stuck in SC and the AI just circles around a ringed planet, it cannot find it's way to a planetary port.

Is the Apex stuck in supercruise? I imagine you have already tried someone interdicting and destroying, no dice?

Yes, there is a workaround of someone ripping me out of SC via Wingman Navlock and then quickly destroying the Adder, but... instances... are... broken... too. I might try again at some point this week, but for now I gave up. I have a support ticket opened, so whever they get to it...
 
I expected them to acknowledge it ... somehow ... in some small form. Just a Galnet article, something.

Cheer up mate. When the players numbered tens of thousands every group was made more important than it should ever have been, now it numbers hundreds of thousands those same groups feel left out when in reality they are just being treated as everyone else was. They are like regulars in a failing pub hating the new landlord who makes a success of it, just complaining about everything but mainly that they arent special anymore. Dont surround yourself with negative people, they only drag you down with them.

We got GalNet back. As a TTW participant thats all I wanted, a bit of fun an purpose and to show Frontier I cared about the lore, I knew full well as did anyone that we were NEVER going to get into PL systems. That would be the most ridiculous thing Frontier ever did, bow to a player group like that. Why make TTW special above all the pmfs? Why celebrate a group that pees all over the lore and the secret nature of The Dark Wheel by having them in many systems across the Galaxy and actually spoils it for new players looking for this secretive special select group who were only meant to be in one system? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The fault lies with the people who hyped it up and guaranteed that things would happen leading less knowledgeable people down a dark alley just to get clicks on their videos. Not with Frontier, they responded to the ones calling for the lore to matter by bringing back GalNet which wasn't just TTW at all anyway.

(not simply another tin foil wild goose chase but a genuine possibility)

It was never a genuine possibility. It was a bit of fun and a community effort by some people, Frontier should not be kissing our bottoms or us theirs. They should treat all groups equally and not have 'friends' the way they did, that has been divisive.

I think more hope was pinned on the expansion into LFT 509 to be honest (whose swing and a miss has only just happened and which marks far more of an end-point to the project than the Sol expansion) ... but I wasn't going to go on about it. 😉

Hope yes, some people always had hope, some had more and did it for their own ego or literally financial benefit, these people are not to be trusted, I always spoke on TTW thread to temper expectations because I could see people getting hurt or upset when it didnt happen, again, it is not Frontiers fault. Sorry but thats the way it is. We were no better than The Truckers, Project IDA, Fuel Rats or any other group. We never represented anyone but ourselves.

Raxxla thread is still going strong btw :) But that because we dont have expectations there, people who do get burned out and disappointed very quickly. Its the single best secret of all time, Frontier are not going to give it up coz some players demand it. Its better left hidden. The Dark Wheel on the other hand, I think they can do something with at some point and hope they do but not as a route to Raxxla. Nothing can live up to the dream.

Sorry for sounding harsh but a wake-up call is needed. Every player (paying customer) should be equal to every other paying customer, thats where Frontier went wrong in the past and it was divisive, you were either part of the clique or outside it. No customer should feel ignored because a more vocal group are getting all the benefits. Its basic customer service - Dont have cliques.

I understand your 'mojo' comment, but the game has grown exponentially as has the playerbase. Great things are happening all the time, new players still find it as exciting and frustrating as we did when we first played. People who are happy are playing the game, people who stopped playing or are unhappy are more vocal, its human nature. Switch off for a bit, its not the end of the world and most of the real present EDO issues will get fixed pretty quick. Its not worth getting salty over, its just a game. Remember when we didnt have any Elite to play at all for decades? This is still a million times better than no game. It will be better again.

Go and find a noob who wants to do something and help them do it, not by telling them the answer but by helping them discover how and not by telling them its a grind and they should shortcut it. Experience it through their eyes and remember what you liked about Elite in the first place.

/end rant.
 
And we're back!

Trending: Odyssey SRV racing, The Wheel stops Turning (or does it?), Odyssey's first on-foot planetary circumnavigation (or is it?), DrKai make's EDProfiler Odyssey compliant, a list of what's missing and a thread about pre-upgraded gear.

There's also loads of threads about Odyssey being a pile of crap but nobody wants to read that right?

And lastly I've moved all the old pre-Odyssey Trending posts into post #5 and I've linked the-great-big-odyssey-screenshots-thread into the "screenshots and videos and songs" section since it appears to be here to stay.
 
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P.S. I've updated Trending with an earnest plea from the VR community whose tenacity in not being forgotten about I wholeheartedly support.


Also, if anyone like me has been having trouble using F10 to take screenshots since Odyssey launched ... a solution!

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OK, no sooner have I said I'm feeling uninspired by Odyssey than I see a video that REALLY excites me, and it's from none other than @BlackMaze, ironically one of the main critics of the new Odyssey terrain.

This is just flippin' sensational (and I'm really kicking myself for not taking part now ... sadly I was too busy sulking!).

Source: https://youtu.be/scvr5WswGVk
Ooh, that is pretty great. It's nice to see Odyssey looking it's best in motion, I've seen a lot of great stills but haven't run across as many videos, and this one really does a good job of highlighting what's working well.
 
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