2-3 Years 100+ devs and this is what we get?

[Erei]

Also, people act like $40 is a lot of money and so a frontier owes us some massive debt. It costs more than $40 to take the family out to the movies. And most AAA games are moving toward shaving fewer than 20 hrs or content. For $40, Odyssey even with a few bugged missions or whatever is actually quite cheap. I'm kind of surprised it doesn't cost more given that it took a team of 100 people years to build. I have 1100 hours in Elite. Most of that pre-horizons. I've got my money's worth. I'm not worried about the $40. But have played 20 hrs of Odyssey so technically have already got a better deal than if I had paid $60 for the new resident evil game which is apparently like 17 hrs long.

Relativity and absolute. For you 40$ is not a lot. For some people, like in my step family, 400$ is literally pocket money, and they casually give 40$ to random beggars.
For others it's a lot. For me it is. When I spend 40$, I need to do small sacrifice elsewhere to make up for it. I expect something in return.

And it's not all about the money, it's also about respect. I earn money and give it to them. In return, I expect a decent product.

All your talk is about "me" and how "we" should feel the same. You had your money back, I didn't. The game is too performance heavy, even above the recommended, and suffer so many bugs I simply can't play it in this state.

 

[Jaball]

Also, people act like $40 is a lot of money and so a frontier owes us some massive debt.

The thing is beta testers should be paid, not the other way round.

I have 1100 hours in Elite. Most of that pre-horizons. I've got my money's worth.

Rookie numbers in this racket, and you won't see me defending fdev (or any corporate entity for that matter) when it craps itself and on their customers heads.

 

[TScal12]

Oof OP!! You absolutely nailed it!!!

 

[TScal12]

This was precisely the 'frontier-move-in-mysterious-ways' argument being made again and again in the alpha forums (and mostly to bludgeon any genuine criticism). Of course, there was no magic 'trunk', no super-secret advanced build, nothing to be revealed... The reality was that what we saw in alpha was pretty much exactly what we got. Incredibly, almost every major technical issue was also carried over to release.

In all likelihood, there's nothing else coming. The very most that you can hope for is for them to get the game as it exists at the moment to work properly at some point in the future. I hope they can achieve this.

I don't really understand the arguments that proceed from the perspective that Frontier are somehow morally compromised for being a business. How strange. However, this goes both ways. In return for my money I would hope to receive a working product (and not simply the promise of one). In a different universe a successful launch, critical acclaim and a positive financial performance would encourage Frontier (and others) to invest more time, money and effort in simulationist space games. Win-win.

However, for those that are disappointed in the fundamental game design and lack of content that Odyssey actually offers, the promise of 'it will be fixed' is a relatively cold comfort. This is where many of the 'shut-up-moaning' threads and replies miss the point about the general outcry*. Most people who have spent any time with the game and on these forums have probably learned to temper their expectations over the years. I don't think anyone was really expecting the one-true-spacegame. The fact that Frontier could then set the hurdles so low and still trip over them is genuinely mind-boggling.

It's like having a favourite uncle. Let's call him Uncle Dave. You know he has his terrible faults but you like him a lot. All he needs to do for you today is to not get steaming drunk before the birthday party. He can do that. Right?

Oh. Oh no.

No, Uncle Dave**, I'm not angry... just disappointed.



*general outcry, as in the level of criticism and the broadly negative reception of the the DLC and NOT some of the downright rude behaviour and unpleasant personal attacks on individuals originating on all sides of the argument.

**any replies which attempt to twist or otherwise torturously rework the Uncle Dave metaphor are missing the point ENTIRELY.

Very well said

 

[Cmdr Aeries Hunter]

They should just add true solo play, modding support and let us mod their game to the our heart's content. The community will fix all issues for free (FREE).

This is beneficial for both players and FDevs, since developers will still able to sell ARX and make half-baked expansions. But now with almost zero outrage thanks to modding support.

Been saying this for years.
Although this would make the game so much better, we all know this will never happen.

 

[Konan]

Been saying this for years.
Although this would make the game so much better, we all know this will never happen.

How can you mod it for console players?

 

[PureEvilPie]

OP you got it right, I don't care about the performance or bugs at the moment. What has made me stop playing is the lack of content - we wait years for an FPS add on for our space sim, with no gameplay mechanics between the two actually going together.

With Horizons at least they told us stuff would be coming in the future with a set of updates, Odyssey is supposedly a complete product on release so we don't even know if we are going to get anything meaningful in the future, this could literally be it. Considering they are now working on Jurassic World Evolution 2 (which makes them a lot more money than elite) I doubt we will see any meaningful extra content for years to come. Jurassic World gets 2 full games over the space of 3-4 years with DLC, whereas elite over 7 years gets 2 expansions, one of them being an utter car crash.

 

[zimms]

No. It is not.

This is why we get the same tired things over and over again. Engineers are not innovators.

Design is art. Manufacturing is the practical interpretation.

Because every person who knows engineering is an uncreative dullard who wouldn't know art if it kicked him in the face. Got it.

 

[CMDR Von Abrahart]

The “Why oh why oh why“ bus has left. In fact its well into its journey.

 

[Montgomery Dog]

Because every person who knows engineering is an uncreative dullard who wouldn't know art if it kicked him in the face. Got it.

Which isn't what I said -- but you can go with that if you like.

 

[Lobstris]

You know... I'm beginning to think that this whole 100 devs, 10 year plan thing might have been a little... fictitious.

A bit like that mythical "single player" thing...

 

[Pigletslastand]

Terrible and broken UI for the galaxy map outfiting, System map ect.
Horrible broken AI. They are either too hard to fight and kill you almost instantly or they are so dump they just stand out in the open.
Terrible preformance even though they said it would run just as well as horizons,
Completely broken lighting system.
Downgraded planetary tech, muddy textures, broken map bumping for mtns, downgraded rock scattering from alpha repeating terrains.
No new exploration, Mining, or trading gameplay.
Only a few missions types for on foot gameplay.
Only 12 weapons.
Only (THREE SUITS)
No new ships. No new SRV's
No new guardian or thargoid content.
Only five diffrent station/ planet outpost interiours. (Outpost have good variaty and look nice though).
Very bland combat.
No ship interiors.
Broken or buggy taxi service.
Engineering for weapons and suits is even more grindy then Enginnering for ships was back in the day not to mention you cant see any stats for what you upgrade.
You cant customize weapon attachments you have to enginner them and then you cant take them off or swap them if you do they are gone for good.

Im sure you guys can think of more things to add here.
So frontier WHAT IN THE WORLD have you guys been doing these past 2 years or so I understand there was a pandemic but even then you where working on this dlc a good bit before everything got shut down. Like what a disaster of a DLC there is little to no content at all. Horizons when it launched was lacking content as well but at least you guys made it clear then it was just the first update to the dlc and more content would be coming but with odyssey you decide to stay quiet and not tell us about the future plans of the dlc if there even is any. Honestly I and so many in this community are extremely disappointed with this dlc. Even in the small updates that (I know this might be controversial to some of you) star citizen have they contain more content and improvemetns then this entire DLC has and its taken year to make. I dont expect you guys to react to every complaint on these forums but you guys can at least give out a statement regarding the many issues and lack of content in the DLC that people have paid for pre order, paid to test for you instead of the David Braben " oh I tested it on my old system and it ran fine" Post even though people are having serious issues in terms of preformance ect. Also you guys should get in contact with steam and start to offer refunds especially for those who are unable to even play the game due to the poor optimization and bugs. You guys should also remove those screen shots of the planets on the steam page as those are misleading from what the actual planet tech looks like tricking new customers into thinking that what the planets actually look like when they dont. All I can say is shame on you frontier shame on you.

Tend to agree with you OP unfortunately. without clearer info one wonders what the hell's gone on here.

 

[Valkyrie]

They should just add true solo play, modding support and let us mod their game to the our heart's content. The community will fix all issues for free (FREE).

This is beneficial for both players and FDevs, since developers will still able to sell ARX and make half-baked expansions. But now with almost zero outrage thanks to modding support.

The kickstarter had solo offline mode with modding capability advertised, so a lot of us went all in. Then they cancelled it further down the track in favour of MP only. It was either too hard to split development or they were worried they would lose control over dlc/microtransaction income. I'm guessing the former, but my inner cynic argues for the latter.

In any case, I think ED would have been a thousand times better as a single player game.

 

[lysan]

Relativity and absolute. For you 40$ is not a lot. For some people, like in my step family, 400$ is literally pocket money, and they casually give 40$ to random beggars.
For others it's a lot. For me it is. When I spend 40$, I need to do small sacrifice elsewhere to make up for it. I expect something in return.

And it's not all about the money, it's also about respect. I earn money and give it to them. In return, I expect a decent product.

All your talk is about "me" and how "we" should feel the same. You had your money back, I didn't. The game is too performance heavy, even above the recommended, and suffer so many bugs I simply can't play it in this state.

To be honest, if $40 bucks is going to break the back of the camel maybe buying games is not where the money should go.
When I traveled a lot paying $5 for a coffee at the airports was normal, and spending $20 on a burger was also normal, I mean everything is relative however there are need to have and nice to have.

 

[Erei]

To be honest, if $40 bucks is going to brake the back of the camel maybe buying games is not where the money should go.
When I traveled a lot paying $5 for a coffee at the air ports was normal, and spending $20 on a burger was also normal, I mean everything is relative however there are need to have and nice to have.

Well, I don't spend 5$ for a coffee, and 20$ on a burger And you didn't spent 400+$ on a dinner on a regular basis like my step family do.

It's not about going broke, it's about relative value to money. I'm not broke from spending 40$, but it's an important sum. My step family spend 400$ and that's perfectly OK, I wouldn't be broke, but that would be a hard blow.

 

[huehnerfaust]

op nailed it.

Personaly i'm preparing for even more down grades. Because this whole slide show won't run well on consoles.

 

[lysan]

Well, I don't spend 5$ for a coffee, and 20$ on a burger And you didn't spent 400+$ on a dinner on a regular basis like my step family do.

It's not about going broke, it's about relative value to money. I'm not broke from spending 40$, but it's an important sum. My step family spend 400$ and that's perfectly OK, I wouldn't be broke, but that would be a hard blow.

True, however if $40 was considered a huge spending I would probably not use it on a game.
Now what we want is FDEV to fix their broken product, and not act like we gave them our first born.

 

[Soulstain]

The kickstarter had solo offline mode with modding capability advertised, so a lot of us went all in. Then they cancelled it further down the track in favour of MP only. It was either too hard to split development or they were worried they would lose control over dlc/microtransaction income. I'm guessing the former, but my inner cynic argues for the latter.

In any case, I think ED would have been a thousand times better as a single player game.

They didn’t just cancel it further down the line, they cancelled it about 30 days before full release! They offered some refunds but only if you never launched the BETA access they sold you for extra money. They have in my opinion always acted in a shady manner.

 

[CMDR Morkar]

True, however if $40 was considered a huge spending I would probably not use it on a game.
Now what we want is FDEV to fix their broken product, and not act like we gave them our first born.

Perspectives... for 40$ you get a lot of better games which aren't underdelivering. It's in relation to the competition of other games. And I'm not even talking about the expectation to have a technical working product.

 

[Erei]

Perspectives... for 40$ you get a lot of better games which aren't underdelivering. It's in relation to the competition of other games. And I'm not even talking about the expectation to have a technical working product.

That's the other issue, I literally can't play Odyssey. Performances are bad, and it's heating up the room. Which is bad considering it's 30°c outside. Then the planet are plagued by issues that make them terrible to explore for me. Now, it's a rather personal opinion, but the bugs and issues are a fact, whether you're affected or not.

The addition of both issue mean I've been playing Horizon instead, and the 40$ was wasted into literally nothing.