No it's not, Concha will spawn in ravines and it doesn't matter if that's a ravine in a desert or among mountains, yes the colour of the blue is affected by the underlying terrain but that's just a side effect of the terrain. If you go to a body with an icy pole you will often find no bio there even though it is the same height as the desert on another part of the planet. All you are doing is either confusing things or trolling, I can't work out which at the moment!
What the heck kind of heat map is this?!
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No it's not, Concha will spawn in ravines and it doesn't matter if that's a ravine in a desert or among mountains, yes the colour of the blue is affected by the underlying terrain but that's just a side effect of the terrain. If you go to a body with an icy pole you will often find no bio there even though it is the same height as the desert on another part of the planet. All you are doing is either confusing things or trolling, I can't work out which at the moment!
Works fine here, what are the problems you are having?
There is a "chance" you would have seen them had you turned around - the procgen tend to take so long to spawn scatter objects, that smaller ones don't start drawing until after you've already flown past them.
You can filter the heatmap. After scanning the planet the default display is 'All'. Whilst in DSS view you can then cycle through the various types of things found which changes the map accordingly. If you land in a blue bit you'll usually find what you're looking for without too much trouble.
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The DSS Filters can be quite frustrating and deceptive indeed.
I sure wish we could get an actual Heatmap, so the Filter doesn't send you down to places where it can be easily next to impossible to find the set Filter Bio.
On top, we IMHO need Sensor Fusion and logical steps going from Space (DSS) -> Ship Scanner (above Ground) -> SRV (Wave Scanner) -> on-foot (hand-held Scanner).
1) why can't the Ship Scanner give out something at all? It was used previously and I think it could be put to good use, currently it's literally playing dead and useless over a Planet.
2) what about the SRV Wave Scanner? In rough terrain or vs. some Biologicals (i.e. Bacteria), its visually almost impossible to detect anything; currently the Wave Scanner doesn't give even a beep vs. the new Bio/Geo Signals
3) the hand-held Pulse Scanner.... Pinging it has only minimal Range and is hardly of any use. Even Auto-Landing the Ship commonly has the CMDR placed outside of the Pulse distance to a visually picked up Biological one is landing nearby
Once those basics are in, I think the whole process would become a whole lot smoother and far more intuitive.
I sure wish we could get an actual Heatmap, so the Filter doesn't send you down to places where it can be easily next to impossible to find the set Filter Bio.
On top, we IMHO need Sensor Fusion and logical steps going from Space (DSS) -> Ship Scanner (above Ground) -> SRV (Wave Scanner) -> on-foot (hand-held Scanner).
1) why can't the Ship Scanner give out something at all? It was used previously and I think it could be put to good use, currently it's literally playing dead and useless over a Planet.
- when in Combat Mode, only shows normal contacts and classic POIs, basically similar to how it works in Horizons
- but when in Analysis Mode, switches to a localized Heatmap or maybe use a modified way to indicate presence of Biological/Geological Signals
2) what about the SRV Wave Scanner? In rough terrain or vs. some Biologicals (i.e. Bacteria), its visually almost impossible to detect anything; currently the Wave Scanner doesn't give even a beep vs. the new Bio/Geo Signals
- when in Combat Mode, have its Wave Scanner focus on classic POIs/anything man-made, Meteorites or artificial (structures)
- but when in Analysis Mode, have its Wave Scanner give strobes towards Bio/Geo Signals instead (with a useful range to reflect its potent Sensor Package)
3) the hand-held Pulse Scanner.... Pinging it has only minimal Range and is hardly of any use. Even Auto-Landing the Ship commonly has the CMDR placed outside of the Pulse distance to a visually picked up Biological one is landing nearby
- when sending out a normal Pulse (short click), it can remain as it is
- but when pressing & holding the Pulse, it charges and sends out a correspondingly long-range Pulse (draws a bit suit energy)
- the left top Mini-Map is then populated with locations (detected within Pulse Range) or directions (weaker/stronger signals outside Pulse Range, strobes like the SRV Wave Scanner)
- Controls setting Ship Scanner Range should be usable to setup MiniMap Display Range for better overview
Once those basics are in, I think the whole process would become a whole lot smoother and far more intuitive.
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I expect "warmer" areas of a heat map to give me a better chance of finding 'life', as oppose to being a 'promise' I'll find it.
"The SRV radar ought to then be used to ping a location, logically but I don’t engage with this game method so can’t confirm if it works as intended."
I agree changing the SRV radar thingy to help us find life/plants as well as rocks would seem a logical extension.
I wonder if they have plants that only come out at day/night.
"The SRV radar ought to then be used to ping a location, logically but I don’t engage with this game method so can’t confirm if it works as intended."
I agree changing the SRV radar thingy to help us find life/plants as well as rocks would seem a logical extension.
I wonder if they have plants that only come out at day/night.
Planet pixel is blue if ( altiude < Concha altitude max AND > Concha altitude min);
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Ah, but the trick might be that we can find a much less energy-intensive way of flipping bits. Much like Thomas Malthus's notion of when human population became unsustainable has long since been smashed, or that dates of exhausting the world's oil running out have been successively put back by advanced extraction techniques.
I suppose much of science and science fiction is wondering where the hard limits will eventually kick in. But have to say - taking 200 years to travel 30 LY would put quite a crimp in E: D's gameplay. It's not like those pre-FSD colony megaships seem to have come to happy endings.
It doesn't work in VR (like most other things, really).
I can live with the blue ball - IF when i enter the atmosphere i can use my ships scanners to detect bio and geo signals - THEN land and use the scanner on my buggy to get me the rest of the way there.
The system exists… just need to implement it a little better. I enjoy mark 1 eyeballing but not if I have to get three samples at different locations…
The system exists… just need to implement it a little better. I enjoy mark 1 eyeballing but not if I have to get three samples at different locations…
No that's not how it works, I will demonstrate with a picture or two, have a look at this picture, you see those little blue dots, they are the only place on this planet a particular life form appears, if you are going to argue it's a heightmap then you would also have to argue that those little blue dots are the only spots on this planet to be at that particular height;
The lifeforms are these, quite common on other planets but very rare on this one, that alone tells us that the life isn't distributed via a heightmap;
This is something your heightmap theory can't explain, and if a theory can't explain the facts then it needs to be discarded!
Your pictures show me nothing, not all planets will have the same plants at the same altitude levels. I'm betting all plants are produced by a set a variables (upper and lower altitude levels, terrain types they can be found in) together with the planets stats. I don't know how you can't see all the blue pixels are at the same height.No that's not how it works, I will demonstrate with a picture or two, have a look at this picture, you see those little blue dots, they are the only place on this planet a particular life form appears, if you are going to argue it's a heightmap then you would also have to argue that those little blue dots are the only spots on this planet to be at that particular height;
The lifeforms are these, quite common on other planets but very rare on this one, that alone tells us that the life isn't distributed via a heightmap;
This is something your heightmap theory can't explain, and if a theory can't explain the facts then it needs to be discarded!
Ok... I edited this post for a last try: how do you find anything ELSE than biomass if the entire planet is blue? The filter does exactly NOTHING. So I'd like an easy to replicate explanation, please! Maybe we are all missing something here that only you know?
PLUS all the other things I pointed out in DETAIL. Read them or leave it.
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First of all: Malthus was "slightly" off with regards to the date, but there is still no doubt that he was right. You cannot have infinite exponential population growth in a system with finite resources. To believe in that you must be "Either an economist or a madman".
The "new" oil reserves are large, but the part of them being extractable as in feasible with regards to EROI is smaller than you think. Furthermore extracting them is a flipping mess. Peak oil is still a thing, and in current years we are just about to peak. This can be delayed somewhat due to demand, but since the area beneath the curve represent the total true reserve (not the ressource), delaying the peak will only lead to the downwards slope after the peak becoming steeper. Contrary to Malthus' predictions, the peak oil "debate" will be settled in both our lifetimes, and unless you disregard physics, that's a problem, given that 1/3 of the global energy consumption (TPES) goes to food production and distribution. Roughly 90% of that energy comes from fossil fuels and we still haven't gotten around to finding an alternative, so yes, we're pretty DOOM'ed. The peak theory (by Hubbert) is widely accepted among scientist and it also shows that phosphorus will become sparse in this century, so eat/live while you still can.
With those details out of the way, if you look at the amount of bits being flipped, even today, they still follow Moore's prediction. Of course that can't continue. And yes, the energy spent per flipped bit is falling as well, though not at nearly the same rate, still resulting in the energy demand growing exponentially. Also, it will never be able to go below Landaur's Limit. The calculation showing when we need to convert the Universe into energy to keep Facebook running was not even based on current consumption, but instead it was based on... Landaur's Limit. Not that it matters, because it's the exponential growth in demand that is dominant.
In a game you have a certain amount of artistic freedom, so let's just say that I appreciate my FSD
I thought that's exactly what I said, apart from the different interpretation of FD's use of "heat", to which most people would assign a literal meaning.
I had intended to mean that each planet's surface was homogenised: there is currently a distinct lack of high mountains and deep valleys in the landscapes. There is a wide variation in Odyssey, but the inevitable repeats start showing after a time.
The filters show the spread of each bio, bacteria is often but not always planet wide, I posted a picture earlier showing the location of a bio in one tiny area on the dark side of a planet, the filters and your own knowledge of environments will let you easily find individual species. I am not even sure what you are saying biomass, that makes no sense, the blue filters are made to help you find bio and/or geo. If the entire planet is blue do you have it on all permanently? If the entire planet is blue for bacteria then it will be found anywhere you care to land, so set the filter to another bio type, you will that other type AND bacteria in that location.
Really, none of what you are saying seems to make any sense in regard to how the DSS and bio/geo filters work. Maybe you are doing something wrong?
So, if the whole planet is blue because of some bacteria and I want to look for, let's say, geysirs (which is, in my opinion, strictly geological and not biological). Then unfortunately the filter does absolutely nothing, nada, niente, nichts. The whole planet stays blue, no matter which filter I set.
Or aren't you supposed to find geological POIs with the DSS anymore? How can I find raw materials, for example?
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So then the information "10 human, 5 geological and 2 biological signals" is useless from now on. Or let's say a lot less useful! Except you like to find geological spots blindfolded. But then again... the info itself is useless. They might also say "Meh... go look, maybe you'll find something somewhere"
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So you just fly somewhere fingers crossed to find raw material nodes? And you can't even set waypoints / POIs for yourself...
Ok... then let me conclude this: if this is really what it's supposed to be, I just don't like the new system.
Hopefully they will fix it soon.