Latest stream has more dislikes than likes... FD are you listening?

[sallymorganmoore]

Being a representative of an organisation is not always fun. As a former post office counter worker I took a fair bit of stick. Favourite moments:

• the customer that used a sawn off shotgun to expedite his cash withdrawl
• the customer that was carried screeming from the counter by 4 officers of the law over the lack of a motor insurance certificate
• the piece of alledgedly bulletproof glass with a neat bullet hole in it
• the custmer who wished me a cancer caused death (I'm still disappointing that particular person)

so my sympathies to those who are blameless, but have to take it on the chin.

Nahhhhh no one HAS to take anything on the chin. No one should ever HAVE to take anything on the chin. I won't. I'll be noisy about it. My chin is...sacred.

 

[Sir.Tj]

And of course there is always this fair and reasonable fellow.....

 

[Lyamecron]

I've basically got 2 topics of interest that I look for in Community streams, news and general information coming out for Frontier:

1. Performance issues being worked on an improved for Odyssey - Which we kind of know is going on alongside preparation for console release but its all a bit nebulous it basically boils down to 'we are looking into it'...

2. Wth is going on with VR? - No plans, no info, no nothing... Now I get Community Managers don't know and can't speak to something that doesn't exist but you must understand that situation is intolerable for customers invested in the technology and sold a 'designed for VR product'. If the answer is truly that VR as a supported platform is now out of the picture then yes of course Frontier cops a ton of reputation damage but avoiding the problem isn't helping either. In short we need a statement from Frontier about this... I am asking/requesting that CMs go seek that update pls from whoever is responsible and accountable for the product.

Other than that tbh I'm not that interested in other content, its just noise and distraction from the priorities and hierarchy of needs. Once the basics are addressed then the other stuff has relevance and interest.

VR in Odyssey is supported just like in Horizons, just not any further. VR on foot is not in development and isn't even planned at the moment. If that changes they will let us know. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[sallymorganmoore]

It doesn't exactly foster the space to be critical in a healthy fashion when the response from the CM team is to, by insinuation, lump all critics into the same group as harassers.

Can totally confirm we can tell the difference between critics and harassers, no worries there. The critics tend to use less...bad words about our lives.

 

[SasaThargoidsHunter]

But regardless of what people think of the game right now or which name is now saying they're leaving or stopping play, personal attacks or simply innacurate or targeted cruel opinions on members of staff are not good. That's the bit in here that I'm talking about.

I agreed with you, all the way up, thanks for you reply. Like id said below, hopefully someone take notice. No harassment no cruel suggestion only hope

 

[CMDR Serra]

Hopefully those posting abuse can be banned and never spoken of again. Elite is a better place without them.

I'd hope that if their forum accounts can be identified then their CMDR can also be identified and sanctioned accordingly. No excuses.

 

[bangermsuk]

 

[NETbreed]

so my sympathies to those who are blameless, but have to take it on the chin.

I realise this wasn't the thrust of your post, but that very last bit I really can't agree with. No-one has to take it on the chin; we can choose to call out and rout out toxic behaviour wherever we see it and get back to discussing the game we all love so much, or we can stand by and watch them slowly chip away at the passion and resolve (not to mention mental wellbeing) of the CMs and everyone else at FDev until they all leave. Only the truly unhinged would consider the latter a win.

 

[hisstus]

But regardless of what people think of the game right now or which name is now saying they're leaving or stopping play, personal attacks or simply innacurate or targeted cruel opinions on members of staff are not good. That's the bit in here that I'm talking about.

Hi! Please give me an example of harassment so that I can outline the boundaries.
or please answer the question, in your opinion are messages like "you know, I feel cheated because in 2020 frontiers said "yes, we are planning ship interiors, just not at the odyssey launch" and after the odyssey release "you know, we have no plans for ship interiors"?
or criticisms such as "the situation around the odyssey has been caused in large part by the closed nature of the fronts regarding information about new updates and details of their development, as well as the cries of 'white knights' - we don't want to know any details about the development of the odyssey!
Because we are all different as human beings, the boundaries of what is harassment and what is not are also different.
there are people who may be offended by the word "hello!" because it contains the word "Hell" and decide that the speaker wishes them a painful eternity in hell.
please outline your personal and team boundaries of what is harassment and what is not.

 

[Pigletslastand]

It's not just the CMs though. I've seen people who weren't being antogonistic getting called petty and simple minded in this very thread just for disliking something.

 

[Rhaged]

But regardless of what people think of the game right now or which name is now saying they're leaving or stopping play, personal attacks or simply innacurate or targeted cruel opinions on members of staff are not good. That's the bit in here that I'm talking about.

You seem to be community fire extinguisher, need more like you around. Also good to see that rules are being tightened up there's no need for attacking people based on their option, position, and what not. Gives me some hope that maybe this will turn around eventually.

All I need now is a performance increase for on foot stuff so it doesn't run like a slide show, and I'll reconsider my current negative bias for the game.
o7

 

[Lyamecron]

Hi! Please give me an example of harassment so that I can outline the boundaries.
or please answer the question, in your opinion are messages like "you know, I feel cheated because in 2020 frontiers said "yes, we are planning ship interiors, just not at the odyssey launch" and after the odyssey release "you know, we have no plans for ship interiors"?
or criticisms such as "the situation around the odyssey has been caused in large part by the closed nature of the fronts regarding information about new updates and details of their development, as well as the cries of 'white knights' - we don't want to know any details about the development of the odyssey!
Because we are all different as human beings, the boundaries of what is harassment and what is not are also different.
there are people who may be offended by the word "hello!" because it contains the word "Hell" and decide that the speaker wishes them a painful eternity in hell.
please outline your personal and team boundaries of what is harassment and what is not.

...we can tell the difference between critics and harassers, no worries there. The critics tend to use less...bad words about our lives.

The boundary is when it gets personal, or threatening.

 

[Rubbernuke]

The purpose is to measure engagement. Up/downvoting means the content triggered a response, which is important for their algorithms to be optimized on a per-user basis.

It doesn't mean much else.

To me though its like vomiting. I had a reaction, but what caused it?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I just watched BlackMaze’s latest video with his first impressions of it and I find myself asking the same question… why play Elite anymore?

Why play any game?

I play games because I get enjoyment out of them. I'm enjoying EDO so I will play it. Others are not enjoying it. It is the way of the world.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I'm surprised that if someone said anything that heinous they hadn't been dished out a warning or had their post removed or been banned already quite frankly. The moderation that exists here is robust. Very surprised the people who have been so disgusting haven't been removed.

I've seen one yesterday - unfortunately even if they get removed within minutes (which it did) that doesn't help the target who has already read it. But I agree it's a well moderated forum alright.

 

[PRORABBIT67]

Hello.

 

[Pigletslastand]

The moment you begin name calling you have lost the argument.

Attack the idea not the person. That's the way isn't it? Will ad hominem attacks now be classed as harassment and will action be taken if it's just an ordinary poster on the receiving end of things?

 

[Lyamecron]

I feel the same way. My play time is limited so I was not even looking at other games. I was enjoying my time with ED. With EDO being the way it is, especially the performance, I feel like the game is completely ruined for me. I spend a lot of play time now looking at that other game and doing my homework before, probably, taking the plunge as well like so many other CMDRs have done recently.

I just watched BlackMaze’s latest video with his first impressions of it and I find myself asking the same question… why play Elite anymore?

You play elite if you want to and you don't play it if you don't want to.

 

[sallymorganmoore]

Hi! Please give me an example of harassment so that I can outline the boundaries.
or please answer the question, in your opinion are messages like "you know, I feel cheated because in 2020 frontiers said "yes, we are planning ship interiors, just not at the odyssey launch" and after the odyssey release "you know, we have no plans for ship interiors"?
or criticisms such as "the situation around the odyssey has been caused in large part by the closed nature of the fronts regarding information about new updates and details of their development, as well as the cries of 'white knights' - we don't want to know any details about the development of the odyssey!
Because we are all different as human beings, the boundaries of what is harassment and what is not are also different.
there are people who may be offended by the word "hello!" because it contains the word "Hell" and decide that the speaker wishes them a painful eternity in hell.
please outline your personal and team boundaries of what is harassment and what is not.

I'm not going to share the examples very personal to each of us, but collectively we (the CM team) got called "f*ckbag liars" once. That was a VERY mild one.

Not going to say anymore on this side of the topic though - people should absolutely know how to forge constructive critique without the harassment tone.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Hello.

Easy, rabbit.