The most efficient move to please these high god class players is to ban all solo players and scrap the solo mode. Happy enough? No more low class noob no brainers who do not spent 20hrs/day to unlock all engineers and guardian modules to build those shiny blink blink "properly build" ships with dozen of rebuy.
To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?
- Thread starter AMX-008 GaZowmn
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Never heard of that rule, sorry.
You've clearly never got ganked, have you? Do you know how many gankers tend to swarm in backwater systems at the edge of the Bubble?
Yes, I have. And if you'd ever explored, you'd realise why you don't generally sell your data in a backwater system at the edge of the bubble. Nor should anyone have to.
Explain please why you have to hand in your data in one of the 3 or 4 ganking hotspots instead
Ideally, ED should have a:
Open PVE could be like pretty much like normal open (so no extra development needed for restrictions), but bound by a gentleman's agreement of not indulging in behavior that's harming to other commanders.
If the game register you as a murderer (it can already do that) vs a CMDR, it can kick you from that mode for like 24h.
If it happens again, it may kick you from that mode forever...
Something similar to that is already happening in the starter zones - you go on a killing spree in the starter systems, you get the boot and your permit is revoked
Case closed, no ganking in the starter systems
I guess an Open-PVE mode would be the death of ganking, but it will have a lesser impact on serious pvp-ers.
Anyway, since we already have the first 3 modes, i'd say the game is quite close to perfection as far as im concerned
- Solo mode (for consolers without premium subscriptions or pc players with crappy internet connections and generally for people that want to play undisturbed)
- PG mode for small groups that want to play undisturbed
- Open PVP for all kind of destructive encounters and general randomness
- Open PVE - for pacifists, mellow players, random coop playing, casuals looking to exchange some o7 without having to look over their shoulders all the time.
Open PVE could be like pretty much like normal open (so no extra development needed for restrictions), but bound by a gentleman's agreement of not indulging in behavior that's harming to other commanders.
If the game register you as a murderer (it can already do that) vs a CMDR, it can kick you from that mode for like 24h.
If it happens again, it may kick you from that mode forever...
Something similar to that is already happening in the starter zones - you go on a killing spree in the starter systems, you get the boot and your permit is revoked
Case closed, no ganking in the starter systems
I guess an Open-PVE mode would be the death of ganking, but it will have a lesser impact on serious pvp-ers.
Anyway, since we already have the first 3 modes, i'd say the game is quite close to perfection as far as im concerned
If you really compare the game to real life, you should try to go out and attack random people in your town (it's a criminal act in ED and real life) while telling them they should have dressed for combat. I guess the outcome, compared to the consequences in ED would surprise you.
Either we discuss a game with game consequences or if we use real life arguments then we also should have real life consequences ingame.
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The no real life comparison rule is also new to me.
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yesss lets cater the game to the snowflakes who are too scared to play in open because their precious anaconda may get popped by another player.
Cry me a river... perfect group for you OP and any others too scared to play in open? MobiusPVE nuff sed.
God forbid you create forum threads for other games to avoid "PVP" huh??
Cry me a river... perfect group for you OP and any others too scared to play in open? MobiusPVE nuff sed.
God forbid you create forum threads for other games to avoid "PVP" huh??
Why? Enlighten me, please.
But okay, let's assume that out of the 6 grillion minor factions you can only sell your precious explo data to United Deciat Carebears Ltd who happen to be present exclusively in the main station of the Deciat system and their business hours coincide with the highest ganker activity periods (basically they are only available on Saturday and Sunday evenings).
That's all good, but:
1. What prevents you from summoning some more survivable ship to that backwater station so that you won't get shot down by the first noob ganker?
2. If that's too much of a hassle or your contract with the Deciat minor faction includes a fine print part saying your ship must not have more than 10 health points while you are handing in the data, why cannot you just click Solo instead?
Is there a correct answer to that question?
I mean, presumably the reason people would want to PvE in Open would be for the opportunities to interact with other players so putting them in some kind of PvE instance would defeat the object... unless the vast majority of players all made the same choice.
Conversely, if everybody was in the same instance, we'd have a bunch of ships flying around, with their pacifistic shields up, getting up to all sorts of shennanigans.
Well, they do that already, don't they?
Any snowflake can block you and play without having your scary presence in their game.
does that bother you?
You know this game could learn a thing or two from EVE Online... Trade, BGS, Powerplay (or the equivalent of in EVE) is all done near enough in Open Play.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Given the design of the game, it does seem that lessons from EVE Online were learned - and the game wasn't designed to repeat that experience.
The only ones I see crying in these topics are gankers who do not want to get taken away their griefer opportunities, and who ironically claim that people that prefer not to be ganked would be crying. Let alone the false claim that not wanting to be ganked would imply being a PvP avoider. There is PvP that is not griefing, you know.
Also that 'noob' argument.. In fact gankers are the unskilled noobs since they want to fight in PvP-equipped ships vs. non PvP-equipped ships.
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granted there are those who will deliberatly go out of their way to gank peeps. in terms of other PVP modes like piracy or BGS or Powerplay. People need to understand that its part of the game, and would expect the same if (yes its a long way away in being reality) this was a real life scenario. Factions fighting for their prescence in a system shouldnt be done in private, same with powerplay. you are technically fighting for a power or factions right. All done in solo or private group? nah fam, just uninstall the game, plenty of other carebear catered games out there.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
In a game where PvP is an optional extra, it's not "part of the game" for all players, it's something that some players choose to engage in - as all players have a free choice of who to play among, i.e. which game mode to play in (if they can play in the multi-player game modes that is) - and all game features are affected by players in all game modes, by design (except CQC, of course - but that's not in-game).
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Real life comparisons only work so long as they make sense.
But let's use ingame comparisons instead:
You won't be using a 2D FSD on a explorer DBX, because that loadout will be unable to jump, therefore it won't work.
You don't fit mining lasers on a ship to go hunt Thargoid interceptors, and you won't be using only 100 hull HP's on it, because that's not going to work either.
And similarly, you won't be using a crap build if you want to suvive a ganking hotspot in Open.
Luckily, the game provides you with all kind of options in the world, actually it's very easy to build a good explorer ship, a good AX ship and a good gank-proof trader/miner/whatever ship as well.
Disagreed.
No, thanks. You could go uninstall and play EVE Online if you want that kind of a game. Anyway, you should ST*U telling others what to do or not to do with their time.
Now imagine the game also gave you a PvP switch and everything would be perfect!
After all these years I still don't really understand why it's such a big problem.
1. It would kill Open!
Well that's not really a good argument. If everyone in Open doesn't want PvP and switches the option to off...
2. It can't work!
Add a timer or only make it possible when docked or even in the main menu.
3. It breaks my immersion(as if gankers care for immersion...)!
Similar to report crimes, it would be a pilots federation convention.
4. It destroys BGS and PP!
That's already destroyed by Solo, PG and blocking.
5. It destroys Ganking!
True. But that's good.
Did I miss anything?
Well that's not really a good argument. If everyone in Open doesn't want PvP and switches the option to off...
2. It can't work!
Add a timer or only make it possible when docked or even in the main menu.
3. It breaks my immersion(as if gankers care for immersion...)!
Similar to report crimes, it would be a pilots federation convention.
4. It destroys BGS and PP!
That's already destroyed by Solo, PG and blocking.
5. It destroys Ganking!
True. But that's good.
Did I miss anything?