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Xink said:
Well, the engine's physics don't cause ships to get blown in the wind like a midautumn leaf for one.
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I think it can… like if the physic’s engine is bugged it can mess up collition detection and cause some kind of vibration that then is interpreted as damage! like a high speed vibration that is not rendered but drains the health of the object/part so quickly than it can kill it fast.

disclaimer: I’m not game dev but I’ve seen videos of people trying to do stuff in game engines
 

Agony_Aunt

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Today at the lunatic asylum

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Suggestion: Pledge Store show what we already own - Star Citizen Spectrum

I would find it very helpful to see if I already own an item and how many I own in the store. Especially as my hanger is filling up more and more. See example.
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Some people apparently own so much they can't remember how many of each ship type and which ship types they own, so they need it showing on the pledge store when they want to spend even more.

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why only VANILLA threads are allowed here? - Star Citizen Spectrum

I'm pretty sure everyone understands what I'm talking about now.
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Carefully asking why critical threads are not allowed. Some funny comments.

Something about this forum has bred a distinct toxicity.
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Hmm... i wonder how...

Because here you really have to try to get permanently banned, whereas the subreddit will permaban any critics at the drop of a hat.
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LOL - Nightrider slacking or something?

if you think SC is mismanaged, you should see what the other companies are like.
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Bahwahahaaa
 

Rubbernuke

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Phlegm said:
That is HIGHLY debatable, considering there's clear evidence that Star Citizen "simulates" space in CryEngine by using NoClip mode and placing everything in the underwater mode to imitate a lack of atmosphere in space, not to mention the scale problems due to the relatively small level size in the version CIG is using.
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I am not talking about SC here. I'm talking about Squadron 42- which is in essence CoD Infinite Warfare in scope and could easily do a CR war film game like he envisaged.
 

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Phlegm said:
That is HIGHLY debatable, considering there's clear evidence that Star Citizen "simulates" space in CryEngine by using NoClip mode and placing everything in the underwater mode to imitate a lack of atmosphere in space, not to mention the scale problems due to the relatively small level size in the version CIG is using.
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What evidence is there? And there is a space flight model, I don't think they place it in some "underwater mode" but it works, whatever they do. Plus, scaled down planets were a gameplay decision that becomes apparent when you quantum travel around Crusader.
 

Agony_Aunt

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Ebob said:
What evidence is there? And there is a space flight model, I don't think they place it in some "underwater mode" but it works, whatever they do. Plus, scaled down planets were a gameplay decision that becomes apparent when you quantum travel around Crusader.
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I don't know about their claim, but we do know early on there was an amusing bug (source was CIG during one of their bugsmashers or similar) where ships would seemingly randomly flip controls or something when flying through space.

It turned out that CIG have left the "water" level at the default for crytek maps, so, for the sake of argument, let's call that Z=0. The fix was to set the baked in water level to some other value. Whether that was Z=max or Z=min i don't know, but it ensured that ship control wouldn't be affected by the water level.
 

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Agony_Aunt said:
I don't know about their claim, but we do know early on there was an amusing bug (source was CIG during one of their bugsmashers or similar) where ships would seemingly randomly flip controls or something when flying through space.

It turned out that CIG have left the "water" level at the default for crytek maps, so, for the sake of argument, let's call that Z=0. The fix was to set the baked in water level to some other value. Whether that was Z=max or Z=min i don't know, but it ensured that ship control wouldn't be affected by the water level.
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lol, Bugsmashers that's an ancient show they did, heh. Wonder if that's even around anymore judging by how much the game changed since then.
 

Agony_Aunt

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Ebob said:
lol, Bugsmashers that's an ancient show they did, heh. Wonder if that's even around anymore judging by how much the game changed since then.
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Yeah, its an old show. Its funny that development has gone on so long that they have changed their shows so many times. Hey, remember Pillar Talk? Remember the new show they promised about SQ42, of which they did.... one?

As for that bug, nah, they fixed it soon after they figured out what caused it.
 

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Viajero said:
Do you have evidence of this? What do you think is it with Quantum that makes scaled down planets a "gameplay decision"?
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from: http://imperialnews.network/2016/08/gamescom-day-4-coverage/
“In a fully realised system like Stanton you should be able to spend hundreds of hours – for a normal game that’s a lot.
Quantum travel is at 0.2c so the systems are scaled down for fun reasons – the tech can handle 1:1 scale but the travel times become too long.
Systems are 1:10 distance between planets because it felt right about time investment with travelling.
Planets are 1:4 or 1:6 for the same reason – time to travel and get down from orbit.
With those scales, it takes 40 mins in quantum travel to travel from one end of the system to the other.
It has to be interesting however, for haulers it can’t be instant travel otherwise it would be a way to farm money. But there will be risk and danger to keep it interesting.
There will be costs and maintenance involved – while travelling you might need to replace a fuse.”
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from: https://starcitizen.tools/CitizenCon_2018_Keynote
“Scaling: 1:6 ratio for main planets
CR: Hurston is about 2.000 kilometres of diameter, so it's about earth size based on our ratio, we're doing one (to) six (1:6) for the main planets and that's just for traversal reasons, because it already takes quite a while to fly not even that far of distance. [The new flight model]...even more enforces it, (...) atmosphere the thicker it is, the harder is for you to go fast. We can get higher up you'll be able to go faster. (...) [1:6] is a nice balance between having the size and scale and been allowing you to traverse it in reasonable times.
CR This mission can spawn around different locations around Hurston. TP: And also have multiple branches.”
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TLDR; Travel times. Can't speed up quantum because it has to stay sublight in lore.
 

Viajero

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Viajero
Ebob said:
TLDR; Travel times. Can't speed up quantum because it has to stay sublight in lore.
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Lore can be updated and retconned any time. It is not really a valid reason to limit a feature such as planetary scale, especially in the game that is the self proclaimed flagship of fidelity in space simulation.

On the other hand lore is actually a very easy excuse to hide a technical limitation from the backers. If CIG was technically and reasonably able to do it they would have easily updated the lore to be able to claim the magnificent feat of 1:1 scale long time ago.
 
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Viajero said:
Lore can be updated and retconned any time. It is not really a valid reason to limit a feature such as planetary scale, especially in the game that is the self proclaimed flagship of fidelity in space simulation.

On the other hand lore is actually a great excuse to hide a technical limitation. If CIG was technically able to do it they owuld have easily changed the lore.
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Ah yes, must be an excuse! - which totally can't be it since there's a 1:1 scale well, "earth sized" Gas Giant in the game!
especially in the game that is the self proclaimed flagship of fidelity in space simulation.
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The planets are very fidelicious, dunno what you mean.
 

Agony_Aunt

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Viajero said:
Do you have evidence of this? What do you think is it with Quantum that makes scaled down planets a "gameplay decision"?
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Its a strange claim. The most likely reason was due to engine limitations, trying to keep planet sizes relatively small. They knew they still needed to do even bigger planets and couldn't have earthlikes be the same size as gas giants.
 
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