Conversely I'm out Colonia way, specifically EOL PROU region, there are absolutely oodles of unclaimed systems, bodies and first footfalls if so inclined. No gankers just stacks of exploration fun and games and stunning vista's galore....(Shame SRV scooping more than one item at a time is presently a thing). o7
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You can use the Scarab (not the Scorpion) in horizons, until they patch it this week, and it works normally.
It was different going back into Horizons after being in Ody for so long. But it did work and I achieved my goals that way.
Though little caveat: BACK UP YOUR CONTROL BINDINGS if you do that. Game can and probably WILL eat bindings as lunch if you change back to Horizons and then to Odyssey...
On a long trip it used to be that you could get a few extra credits by targeting the star as you approached for scooping and then keeping it centred for a few seconds. But then you had to "target next system in route" before jumping out. Two extra key presses and a few seconds for a tiny amount of credits! It was a tough dilemma.
With something like ~1/2000th of the galaxy explored, cheating is not going to have a significant impact on one's ability to find pristine systems.
Of course, cheating is still an issue. Cheaters still get better outcomes by violating the constraints that bind legitimate players, which encourages more cheating and devalues legitimate contributions to the setting.
Of course, cheating is still an issue. Cheaters still get better outcomes by violating the constraints that bind legitimate players, which encourages more cheating and devalues legitimate contributions to the setting.
When i started exploring the route planner did not work for more than 100LY, so you needed to open the map and plan your next section after 100LY which in my hauler where roughly 4-5 jumps at that time (23LY if remember correctly).
There were no tools or journal log either, so i personally wrote down every system i visited on a paper and planned my route by selecting waypoints from the GalMap and writing them down so i can find them. That was the normal way of traveling - from waypoint to waypoint.
There where no tags visible, so you didn't know if someone already explored the system. They introduced this just before Horizons and i need to admit that few days after that i was in no mood of playing as some of the best systems i found where already discovered and tagged.
There where no way to find out the type of the planet from the system map. This came some time later after a CMDR effort of figuring the use of the background music/noise inside the map. After that it was a breeze to find WW, ELW and AW. The terraformable HMC's where still pain to guess.
There was and it's still there a way to check if the system you are jumping in is a possible close binary. I used this a lot, nowdays... nope.
In order to explore a system, you needed to fly to every body on the system and scan it from a close distance. Now this is obsolete due to the FSS, however you still need to do it in order to map the body with the DSS.
I need to say that if you wish to map a whole system now you will lose more time than it was before the FSS/DSS. I remember when i found Sigma Orionis and decided to explore the whole system - it took me 5 hours to do it. For those who don't know - the system is bigger than Alpha Centauri.
Nowdays i also sometimes tag only the good stuff in a system, but that's when i am traveling quickly to somewhere. Once i reach my destination i lower the pace and start using the FSS on every system even if it's just icy bodies with a brown dwarf main star. It is an unexplored system after all.
I lose more time now as sometimes i decide to hunt some biological data on the surface. Finding the bacterium patches is pain but i am starting to get used to it and to find them more quickly.
For me the "cheating" is exploring with a Fleet Carier and having UC on board where you can dump your data almost immediately after finding it. But i think that's an unpopular opinion.
There were no tools or journal log either, so i personally wrote down every system i visited on a paper and planned my route by selecting waypoints from the GalMap and writing them down so i can find them. That was the normal way of traveling - from waypoint to waypoint.
There where no tags visible, so you didn't know if someone already explored the system. They introduced this just before Horizons and i need to admit that few days after that i was in no mood of playing as some of the best systems i found where already discovered and tagged.
There where no way to find out the type of the planet from the system map. This came some time later after a CMDR effort of figuring the use of the background music/noise inside the map. After that it was a breeze to find WW, ELW and AW. The terraformable HMC's where still pain to guess.
There was and it's still there a way to check if the system you are jumping in is a possible close binary. I used this a lot, nowdays... nope.
In order to explore a system, you needed to fly to every body on the system and scan it from a close distance. Now this is obsolete due to the FSS, however you still need to do it in order to map the body with the DSS.
I need to say that if you wish to map a whole system now you will lose more time than it was before the FSS/DSS. I remember when i found Sigma Orionis and decided to explore the whole system - it took me 5 hours to do it. For those who don't know - the system is bigger than Alpha Centauri.
Nowdays i also sometimes tag only the good stuff in a system, but that's when i am traveling quickly to somewhere. Once i reach my destination i lower the pace and start using the FSS on every system even if it's just icy bodies with a brown dwarf main star. It is an unexplored system after all.
I lose more time now as sometimes i decide to hunt some biological data on the surface. Finding the bacterium patches is pain but i am starting to get used to it and to find them more quickly.
For me the "cheating" is exploring with a Fleet Carier and having UC on board where you can dump your data almost immediately after finding it. But i think that's an unpopular opinion.
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That's gameplay.
I know. And that's why it is a personal opinion.
After 10 pages there still hasn't been one screenshot of actual cheating - it's all 'I heard on reddit that there was this cheat so I made a big video about it but it's all hearsay'
If you're going to make accusations of cheating existing then you at least have to provide some evidence.
If you're going to make accusations of cheating existing then you at least have to provide some evidence.
There is a need to differentiate here. Cheating isn't an opinion, it's demonstrably going against the game's ToS.
What you're talking about is something added to the game you think gives a debateably unfair advantage.
I've posted you a screenshot of ship with Overload wave module on the previous page. If you want a life footage just query youtube about "The Mamba Light Incident" there is a footage of entire stream with quick links to important timestamps. The DBX yesterday in Shinrarta Dezhra was using same hacks but this time killing players left and right avoiding station damage - so being a Developer is out of question.
Wrong choice of words from my side. Sorry.
Unlike @virosh, I'm quite happy taking out a FC for exploration, sending it 500Ly ahead and then single-stepping the systems to catch up with it. I've been out a couple of months and slowly heading towards Sag A* for the third time (it's looked different each time). It's been several weeks - and several hundred systems - since I arrived anywhere that's been tagged already. It's so peaceful. I even found a planet variable enough to make a circumnavigation in the SRV interesting .
Last night I was the first to run a FSS over BLAU AIS IS-K C24-8: five HMC planets, one terraformable; three WWs, two terraformable; an ELW; and a Jovian giant. It's like Christmas.
If there are exploration cheaters out there, they are not doing a through job.
Last night I was the first to run a FSS over BLAU AIS IS-K C24-8: five HMC planets, one terraformable; three WWs, two terraformable; an ELW; and a Jovian giant. It's like Christmas.
If there are exploration cheaters out there, they are not doing a through job.
that because there a thing call naming and shaming here. do it at your peril.
Yeah that is against the rules, accusation and evidence of cheating should be send to fdev, not posted on the forums.
Amusing.. I never even thought that cheaters would bother with exploration in this game. I've been to Ishum's Reach (500 Ly beyond Beagle Point) and after about 1000 Ly from the bubble it is almost impossible to find a discovered system, unless you really look for them. So made a TON of first discoveries, ELWs etc.
Just because it exists (it really does, I checked the page of a certain specific cheat tool that gives you 40x jump range or perma neutron boost), it doesn't mean a ton of people are using it to explore unexplored systems. Just fly towards the center of the galaxy (much bigger star density) and it will take hours before you find an already tagged system. Colonia takes only 1-2 jumps away into undiscovered space.
Also, cheating for jump range into undiscovered systems is probably a really stupid idea in the first place. It is like signing your name on the cheat wall with clear evidence for banning you, because there is nothing easier for FDEV to find a list of ships that have jumped 400+ Ly in one jump... and then mass banning them.
Just because it exists (it really does, I checked the page of a certain specific cheat tool that gives you 40x jump range or perma neutron boost), it doesn't mean a ton of people are using it to explore unexplored systems. Just fly towards the center of the galaxy (much bigger star density) and it will take hours before you find an already tagged system. Colonia takes only 1-2 jumps away into undiscovered space.
Also, cheating for jump range into undiscovered systems is probably a really stupid idea in the first place. It is like signing your name on the cheat wall with clear evidence for banning you, because there is nothing easier for FDEV to find a list of ships that have jumped 400+ Ly in one jump... and then mass banning them.
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When you were last near Beagle&Ishum? I was about two years ago, that near region there was pretty much explored, mainly because so few stars and few viable routes...
Of course, the last 1000 Ly or so are mapped really well, because the star density is so low there. I was speaking about closer to the center of the galaxy. Considering Beagle is about 65 000 Ly... that gives about 63 000 Ly of mostly undiscovered space.
Yeah, that is true, it is basically free to tag and go
Ahh maybe I should consider some long trek after longish hiatus on long treks...