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For me it's Kickstarter. The floodgates opened after Tim Schafer's campaign was so successful. It's also where $$$ridiculous$$$ comes from as well. Everyone else's crowd-funding campaigns finished. Chris Roberts left his going
Interesting argument that SOCS and OCS simply aren’t working as they should:
Anyone fancy playing around with this bit?
Anyone fancy playing around with this bit?
It's all going well..isn't it?
Further alienating their existing customers by making the common practise of store credit buyback purchases and LTI token CCU's almost pointless
Next step will be to further limit store credit purchases and have some ships purchaseable as warbond 'new cash only' sales...just wait
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It's all going well..isn't it?
Further alienating their existing customers by making store credit buyback purchases and LTI token CCU's almost pointless
Next step will be to have some ships purchaseable as warbond 'new cash only' sales...just wait
I'm not sure I really get it. Are these the main issues?:
All buybacks are now pegged to the latest price (not the old lower price), whereas before it was just CCUs? And Warbond discounts, which used to be exempt, are now pegged to the latest price as well?
That's what I'm getting from the chat here:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/sta97f/tell_me_that_i_am_the_last_person_to_know_this/
And from the older versions of the text, visible on Wayback:
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And on Warbonds / discount deals:
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From what I can gather...and I haven't spent much time looking to be fair... as an example... I had a spare BMM in buyback bought at the original concept price of $250 a few years ago that I exchanged or 'cashed in' for the same amount in store credit. Now, if I wished to get it out of buyback with cash or store credit (currently, 2 store credit buyback tokens are issued quarterly...used to be just the one), at the checkout transaction I'd be charged the current store price for that BMM, roughly $550, to get it out of buyback even though I only paid $250 for the ship.I'm not sure I'm fully getting it overall. Are these the main issues?:
All buybacks are now pegged to the latest price (not the old lower price), whereas before it was just CCUs? And Warbond discounts, which used to be exempt, are now pegged to the latest price as well?
That's what I'm getting from the chat here:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/sta97f/tell_me_that_i_am_the_last_person_to_know_this/
And from the older versions of the text, visible on Wayback:
Old text:
And on Warbonds / discount deals:
New Text:
Old text:
Makes the other common practise of buying it out of buyback for the original concept price and reselling it on the grey market at current $550 price to make a decent profit now pointless.
That's how I understand it anyway..
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I wonder what the motivation is.
Purely to put a dampner on greymarket refunds? (Given the warbond savings are still seen as good deals by others etc)
As a way to turn the screw on fresh cash from old backers? (IE if someone figured they were gonna get that BMM back at some point, maybe they'll cough up the extra $300 now, or top up the needed? If they're silly
)Does seem like a strange thing to do while the last outrage is still smouldering
I edited the last post...it's to prevent (or make it less attractive for) the likes of me buying back the BMM for cash or store credit at the original concept price of $250 then reselling it on the grey market for...let's say $420... undercutting Ci¬G's inevitable, relentless price hikes and artificial rarity but still making me some profit.I wonder what the motivation is.
Purely to put a dampner on greymarket refunds? (Given the warbond savings are still seen as good deals by others etc)
As a way to turn the screw on fresh cash from old backers? (IE if someone figured they were gonna get that BMM back at some point, maybe they'll cough up the extra $300 now, or top up the needed? If they're silly
Does seem like a strange thing to do while the last outrage is still smouldering
Make no mistake, this cynical change is aimed squarely at the grey market. Fortunately...I already privately sold that increasingly desirable spare BMM for $420 a couple of months ago. In case anyone might suspect me of blatant profiteering... note the current price of an LTI original concept BMM on the grey...the nice chap who bought mine got a pretty good deal at mates rates
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None of this smells like desperation to me.
It's probably just masked by the smell of burning money
It's bizarre though that he's celebrating, or apparantly celebrating, 6 planets out of what, 110 promised? and nearly ten years later then they were promised. So that's less than 1 tenth of deliverables that were promised nearly ten years ago, they really are setting their sights low to give CIG the opportunity to fulfill their desires, and you know what, even that bar is to high, I personally don't think anything will be released under the control of CIG!
Heh, looks like CIG screwed up one of the few remaining consistently functional gameplay loops, irritating multiple whales in the process:
Gotta hand it to Chris and co. - they know how to kick backers in the groin while they're down.
Really starting to look like they're leveraging for a sell-out to a major publisher.
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Though some white knights will defend absolutely anything CIG does:
My guess is Chris and his current wife could offer Harry Greers' first son on an sacrificial alter, and he'd thank them for it.
Gotta hand it to Chris and co. - they know how to kick backers in the groin while they're down.
Really starting to look like they're leveraging for a sell-out to a major publisher.
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Though some white knights will defend absolutely anything CIG does:
My guess is Chris and his current wife could offer Harry Greers' first son on an sacrificial alter, and he'd thank them for it.
At least we don't have to randomly guess what was discussed during the 'planning week' then...screw over longer term backers, give the marketing snakes absolute control over the entire project completely destroying any lingering vestige of patience with Ci¬G and discouraging anyone at all from spending any cash...that'll go down wellHeh, looks like CIG screwed up one of the few remaining consistently functional gameplay loops, irritating multiple whales in the process:
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Gotta hand it to Chris and co. - they know how to kick backers in the groin while they're down.
Really starting to look like they're leveraging for a sell-out to a major publisher.
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Though some white knights will defend absolutely anything CIG does:
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My guess is Chris and his current wife could offer Harry Greers' first son on an sacrificial alter, and he'd thank them for it.
I have the strangest feeling that it's got something to do with a handover of the PU (eventually) to Turbulent...something along the lines that they'll be assuming complete responsibility for the PU at some point due to some buyout or shifting of shares or lack of investor confidence... including Ci¬G's enforced detachment from the PU to concentrate exclusively on Sqn 42. It feels like they're just throwing some petrol on the dumpster fire of SC to make it difficult for 'someone else' out of badness.
No idea why I get that feeling...but something is amiss. It's becoming more and more apparent that Ci¬G ain't happy about something. Maybe they failed to gain further potential investment from the Calders or someone else we don't know about ...yet, perhaps even a punitive financial payout to the Calders due to persistent delays and lack of visible progress... who knows?
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Fortunately...I already privately sold that increasingly desirable spare BMM for $420 a couple of months ago. In case anyone might suspect me of blatant profiteering... note the current price of an LTI original concept BMM on the grey...the nice chap who bought mine got a pretty good deal at mates rates
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Wait what, who's trying to get $800 for a BMM?
CIG sell it for $550...
(Are they trying to charge $250 for imaginary insurance?
. And, like, early access to a non-existent ship...?)Ci¬G's artificial rarity driving the grey market sale prices, plus it's an original concept and not been upgraded from a CCU token...it's inevitable that when it reappears in the RSi store being a bit nearer to flyable, it'll have gained a few hundred dollars on the current $550 price tag. I could safely bet that the BMM will be well over a grand at Ci¬G prices by the time it's flyableWait what, who's trying to get $800 for a BMM?
CIG sell it for $550...
(Are they trying to charge $250 for imaginary insurance?
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Ci¬G's artificial rarity driving the grey market sale prices, plus it's an original concept and not been upgraded from a CCU token...it's inevitable that when it reappears in the RSi store being a bit nearer to flyable, it'll have gained a few hundred dollars on the current $550 price tag. I could safely bet that the BMM will be well over a grand at Ci¬G prices by the time it's flyable
Well damn, they added salespeople to a stationary Javelin once. Surely it should be worth $5000 now