Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Mole HD

Mole HD
VR Golgot said:
Well damn, they added salespeople to a stationary Javelin once. Surely it should be worth $5000 now ;)
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The difference is the BMM is currently being worked on...being pushed even... judging by the rate it's going through whitebox. The Javelin isn't. There's a lot of folk already own the BMM given it was one of the very first concept ships...and it's getting bigger all the time as it's now fitted for the new ship metrics. It'll be massive, inside and out...2800 scu of internal cargo space alone in a cargo bay with overhead cranes (according to the latest released design docs). It'll dwarf any potentially flyable ship currently planned for SC in the short term. It's also an alien ship, it can land on planets and has it's own inbuilt player controlled trading hub. Since the first concept art, it's always been the one ship everyone wanted...

That could all be complete marketing driven codswallop of course...we'll have to wait and see :)
 
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
VR Golgot said:
I'm not sure I really get it. Are these the main issues?:

All buybacks are now pegged to the latest price (not the old lower price), whereas before it was just CCUs? And Warbond discounts, which used to be exempt, are now pegged to the latest price as well?

That's what I'm getting from the chat here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/sta97f
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/sta97f/tell_me_that_i_am_the_last_person_to_know_this/


And from the older versions of the text, visible on Wayback:

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And on Warbonds / discount deals:

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Old text:

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You see! The value of those ships can only go up and up!
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Nightrider-CIG

Some perspective,

The melting of pledges was never intended as a form of bank, it was in place as a way to assist individuals that had a change of vision on what pledge they wanted to access in the game.
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Its going to make it harder for people to refund using the grey market. I'm sure that factored into their decision as well. Less people selling on grey market = less people buying on grey market = more people giving new cash to CIG
 

sovapid

sovapid
VR Golgot said:
I wonder what the motivation is.

Purely to put a dampner on greymarket refunds? (Given the warbond savings are still seen as good deals by others etc)

As a way to turn the screw on fresh cash from old backers? (IE if someone figured they were gonna get that BMM back at some point, maybe they'll cough up the extra $300 now, or top up the needed? If they're silly ;))

Does seem like a strange thing to do while the last outrage is still smouldering :unsure:
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Nothing has changed. Well, maybe the warbond ccu, i have never bought one of those and then melted it. CCU prices have always gone up in buy back if the ship went up in price. Warbond ones might have done that all along, which would be my guess.

Hull C just went up $350

Hull C from years ago in my buy back:

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varonica

varonica
sovapid said:
Nothing has changed. Well, maybe the warbond ccu, i have never bought one of those and then melted it. CCU prices have always gone up in buy back if the ship went up in price. Warbond ones might have done that all along, which would be my guess.

Hull C just went up $350

Hull C from years ago in my buy back:

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Of course one of the questions that should be asked here is, why is the cost of .jpg's increasing? Has the cost of pixels risen so much the extra cost must be passed on to the purchaser? Of course that was sarcasm, these aren't cars where increase in the cost of X material results in increases manufacturing costs, there's no justifification for an increase in cost of a purely digital artifact, except a desire to get more money out of people, and considering this is SC, that's probably the only reason!
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
VR Golgot said:
I wonder what the motivation is.

Purely to put a dampner on greymarket refunds? (Given the warbond savings are still seen as good deals by others etc)

As a way to turn the screw on fresh cash from old backers? (IE if someone figured they were gonna get that BMM back at some point, maybe they'll cough up the extra $300 now, or top up the needed? If they're silly ;))

Does seem like a strange thing to do while the last outrage is still smouldering :unsure:
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I think it can easily be both. CIG actually does not lose anything (other than another reputational hit and backer rage) in theory. As things stood until now CIG did not see a dime of those grey market transactions anyways so they don’t really care if players can not do them any more. The only money seen by CIG would have been the original pledge before melt, but that money is already at CIG coffers so they don’t care either if an old backer can’t get his old warbond ship back without paying up a bit more.

The new change makes it simply possible for CIG to have an upside in case one of those players originally considering the grey market or the buy backs feels motivated enough now to instead decide to actually spend the money at the store.

In essence what this means is that CIG believes there is more value in that potential upside than the sales that can be eventually lost due to the reputation hit and backer rage.
 
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Frank

Frank
Agony_Aunt said:
SC trades not happy about the change

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/stbzsp
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/stbzsp/psa_no_more_buy_back_of_discounted_warbond_ccus/


Not that i care about those guys, profiteering off CIG's scummy business model.
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This is the bit of Star Citizen that gives me a headache. If I'd read a science fiction novel thirty years ago that had this concept in it, I would've had to read that chapter a few times to get my head around it

...there are people making money trading in imaginary spaceships for a game that hasn't been released yet


Perky Pat's got nothing on this
 

Ronzer

Ronzer
Frank said:
For me it's Kickstarter. The floodgates opened after Tim Schafer's campaign was so successful. It's also where $$$ridiculous$$$ comes from as well. Everyone else's crowd-funding campaigns finished. Chris Roberts left his going
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Somehow I have the start of KS sorta entangled with SC.

varonica said:
It's bizarre though that he's celebrating, or apparantly celebrating, 6 planets out of what, 110 promised? and nearly ten years later then they were promised. So that's less than 1 tenth of deliverables that were promised nearly ten years ago, they really are setting their sights low to give CIG the opportunity to fulfill their desires, and you know what, even that bar is to high, I personally don't think anything will be released under the control of CIG!
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It's 101 promised systems, I think. You know how they've spent the last, well, forever just making 1 system? Yup, he promised 100 more.

That got me thinking about why no other systems have actually been released. Hows this for an idea? It's possible they have 150 systems all lined up and ready to go. And after all these years, it only makes sense they actually have more than 1, maybe even 3 or 4 at the least. So why not release them? Well, they still sorta seem to be adding bits or making things work in system 1. I have a feeling now, they wont release any other system until that 1 is working fully. The reason being, a mistake may be passed off if it's only in 1 system. We may not even recognize it, even though they have plenty already. But releasing a second system may make other things they're unable to do become apparent. Enough for some to say, ok thats it...done. They seem to be on that cusp as it is. My guess is they cant jump between systems, by the way, but I mean even more things that wouldn't be so apparent.
 

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
Ronzer said:
Somehow I have the start of KS sorta entangled with SC.



It's 101 promised systems, I think. You know how they've spent the last, well, forever just making 1 system? Yup, he promised 100 more.

That got me thinking about why no other systems have actually been released. Hows this for an idea? It's possible they have 150 systems all lined up and ready to go. And after all these years, it only makes sense they actually have more than 1, maybe even 3 or 4 at the least. So why not release them? Well, they still sorta seem to be adding bits or making things work in system 1. I have a feeling now, they wont release any other system until that 1 is working fully. The reason being, a mistake may be passed off if it's only in 1 system. We may not even recognize it, even though they have plenty already. But releasing a second system may make other things they're unable to do become apparent. Enough for some to say, ok thats it...done. They seem to be on that cusp as it is. My guess is they cant jump between systems, by the way, but I mean even more things that wouldn't be so apparent.
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They dont have anything more than1 or maybe 2 systems. The rest is hot air coming from the rear. Hot now but soon cold, damp and just smelly
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Ronzer said:
Somehow I have the start of KS sorta entangled with SC.



It's 101 promised systems, I think. You know how they've spent the last, well, forever just making 1 system? Yup, he promised 100 more.

That got me thinking about why no other systems have actually been released. Hows this for an idea? It's possible they have 150 systems all lined up and ready to go. And after all these years, it only makes sense they actually have more than 1, maybe even 3 or 4 at the least. So why not release them? Well, they still sorta seem to be adding bits or making things work in system 1. I have a feeling now, they wont release any other system until that 1 is working fully. The reason being, a mistake may be passed off if it's only in 1 system. We may not even recognize it, even though they have plenty already. But releasing a second system may make other things they're unable to do become apparent. Enough for some to say, ok thats it...done. They seem to be on that cusp as it is. My guess is they cant jump between systems, by the way, but I mean even more things that wouldn't be so apparent.
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As I recall it was 110 sold. In lore there are 180 systems.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt

CR telling porkies in 2018. And what's good about this one, it was long after the scope change and any possible changes to the scope of SQ42.

CR said that SQ42 had no more technical hurdles, they would show a public roadmap for SQ42 right through to completion.

Horse manure of the highest grade right there.

And the crowd cheering it... they fell for CR's rubbish once again, and probably bought more JPGs.
 

Skizomeuh

Skizomeuh
Hey, actually I'm in line with CIG: backers are to blame for believing what's coming from Chris's mouth and complaining afterwards.

Now also Chris projecting too much on what's on the roadmap is hurting devs, so should be silenced by NightriderCIG
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
sovapid said:
Nothing has changed. Well, maybe the warbond ccu
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Unless I misunderstood (which is quite possible in this stupid mess) the warbond buy back ccus are precisely the point here no? At least those are the ones traders in the Trades subreddit seem to be audibly salty about; apparently many traders had planned ccu chains including those to obtain profit based on the applied discounts.
 
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Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
Viajero said:
Unless I misunderstood (which is quite possible in this stupid mess) the warbond buy back ccus are precisely the point here no? At least those are the ones traders in the Trades subreddit seem to be audibly salty about; apparently many traders had planned ccu chains including those to obtain profit based on the applied discounts.
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So nothing gameplay-wise changed. Who cares about some speculative traders?
 

thistle

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Agony_Aunt said:
SC trades not happy about the change

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/stbzsp
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/stbzsp/psa_no_more_buy_back_of_discounted_warbond_ccus/


Not that i care about those guys, profiteering off CIG's scummy business model.
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From that thread:

I had a CCU chain for $250, now its going to cost me $330 to complete - but now ill just abandon that chain, consolidate and spend less.
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Oh no, I was wasting $250, now I'm wasting $330, so I wont bother wasting the $250.

I'd just have jumped straight to the not wasting $250.
 
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