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Jack Winter

Jack Winter
Randomkeyhits said:
Thanks, my Linux rig is pretty high end so I'm not worried about performance, at least not with other games I play on it.

I guess I'll wait until a Steam sale and then if I feel like restarting pay the absolute minimum. I do not feel like rewarding this company any more than i have to, perhaps only buying Horizons if still available as I am interested in spaceships, not another FPS. If I want a FPS there are other games which are dedicated to it and do it way, way better.

I just realised why this announcement stung so much. Last night went to bed comfortably in the top 10% of the last Colonia Bridge CG. At work looked on Inara to find I was bordline in/out, got home logged in and found out no gold shiny for me, about 100 tonnes short by Inara's reckoning. Then I saw this thread...
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Sorry mate! Today must have been a dark day!

I stopped when I realized I didn't want to get to / stay in the top 10%, so settled for the top 25% and about a billion in profit.

FWIW, on Linux I use a 5.16 kernel and a version of wine-staging that supports esync, on proton that ought to be automatic if you have a 5.16 kernel. I have no proof but a distinct impression that it helps the framerate.
 

denispage

denispage
Cmdr. Hoschie_Dierkow said:
Fellow PC Cmdrs…starting to miss you already. It was an honour and always my pleasure sharing my time with you. Since FD makes this well planned announcement without an offer for “us” to transfer our profiles, it’s quite clear that there won’t be any offer. Therefore our (console) journey ended today.
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I think they'll find a way to transfer; and Elite will be very exiting with the new stuff coming.

Cheers
 

Exeider

Exeider
Dragsham said:
I do think fdev should proffer an explanation as to why they pulled the plug on consoles.
As previously posted alot of time and money (arx) has gone into it and now to be told its over with no port over....
Seems harsh...
So yes a detailed explanation perhaps to avoid a lawsuit
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@denispage pointed out the serious technical limitations of the previous generation of consoles, where they basically said straight out, even with divinely optimized code, the math doesn't work out for Odyssey to be runable on those consoles, and he even had doubts about current gen consoles, it was like a "maybe with serious effort" And that's not something Fdev wants to spend time, money into. So I get why, it still sucks.

However, if they were going to come with that announcement, Braben should have had a plan in place to move people over, THATS unfair.

lastly, no one is going to sue. As sad as that is, nobody will actually do it. This community is too complacent, too forgiving, and too complacent to actually due Fdev. And that's assuming they had lawyers on speed dial.
 

The Atlas

The Atlas
thistle said:
They clearly never considered that EDO would present such a performance problem, and so never considered how much of a problem it would then be to convert to console. That meant they announced - in good faith presumably - the 3 platforms for EDO before they had really developed it.
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For the first part, that's what's an alpha and beta phases are for, first mistake was to rush from alpha to final(that wasn't an alpha at all)
For the second part, announcing before developing, knowing the platform shortcomings is yet another mistake IMO, a huge one.

Again I'm not really sure how else it could have gone. If they had announced it only for pc? It would have resulted in this same anger. But they didn't expect it couldn't be done.
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Anger? yes. But due to false promises? no. They would be open with their community, which they always should be, when possible.
Now they have a deserved anger, due to 10 months of waiting(or radio silent if you prefer) just for the info that development for consoles is dropped.
Basically I'm saying it's not easy, and they have presumably attempted all of this with the best intentions. Hasn't worked.
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Yes i do agree with you that is not easy, but they are a company, not an indie studio with 4 members, they know what they are doing, or they at least should know.

And sorry if i don't follow the "best intentions" line, we have a saying here that could be translated like "hell is full of people with the best of intentions"
 

Exeider

Exeider
kulebiakin said:
Mr. Braben has already said that this was done to improve the quality of the game.
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Cancelling console development. Not leaving console Cmdrs in the dust, those are two SEPARATE things. This is what you're missing, it's not JUST the cancelling of console development, that's just disappointing. The fact they have ZERO plan to move those people over to PC and seem to not care to figure that out, THAT is what is ticking people off.
 

ries

R
Exeider said:
@denispage pointed out the serious technical limitations of the previous generation of consoles, where they basically said straight out, even with divinely optimized code, the math doesn't work out for Odyssey to be runable on those consoles, and he even had doubts about current gen consoles, it was like a "maybe with serious effort" And that's not something Fdev wants to spend time, money into. So I get why, it still sucks.
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people actually buying that explanation? Yes its difficult, but with enough man power and money its possible. Sadly fdev now longer sees ED as their flagship title and rather spend that on a new JWE title then on this niche product.
 

Fullo111

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I switched on my Xbox Series S, and for the first time in a very long time, I felt lost. I have been doing a lot of BGS and trying to take control of some stations in my system, I was getting very close to forcing a war between 2 factions. I know that may seem dramatic but this game has been played pretty much every time my console is switched on over 5 years, 100s if not over a 1000 hours of gameplay.
I then spent the next hour looking through Game Pass and seeing what I may want to play next but I came away empty. No doubt there'll be something to play that I'll get into but for now, I think I'll give it a few days to sink in that Elite is no more.
I made the difficult decision to delete the game to make way for the game/games I decide to move onto next.
 

Marigold Ipswitch

Marigold Ipswitch
Something that I feel this conversation is missing. Odyssey was a flawed DESIGN for a multiplatform product. The fact that they chose very bold content goals and directions in terms of hardware specs, despite knowing that their codebase is their weakness, when they had the opportunity to focus on completely different design choices is the real problem here. They went forward with a product that had obvious risks to their multiplatform game. There were plenty of other directions they could have gone with an update. They chose ones that effectively would kill their multiplatform existence. They could have done a more piece meal set of content expansions and everyone would be slightly unhappy, but instead now a huge chunk of the community is EXTREMELY unhappy.

Everyone here going 'at least the game will be better on pc though!' misses this nuance as far as I can tell and it irks me. Odyssey was irresponsible. Full stop. Things did not NEED to be this way. We could have continued multiplatform development with much more reasonable design goals and expansions. But they went for the brave and the bold. If they couldn't predict the challenges their goals would bring to legacy hardware, they are inept. If they could but wanted to get rid of a multiplatform existence now that they made all their money off console with horizons, they are outright malicious or predatory depending on how you look at it. Only Frontier knows which one of these is the truth. I don't really want to know. I have too much respect for the developers and the elite dream.

But for some of the pc players trying to look on the bright side, please take the above possibilities as possible things to consider going forward with your wallet and this company. It's fine for you to have some optimism, but at least be reasonable about it given the way they have dealt with many of your fellow commanders.
 

Exeider

Exeider
ries said:
people actually buying that explanation? Yes its difficult, but with enough man power and money its possible. Sadly fdev now longer sees ED as their flagship title and rather spend that on a new JWE title then on this niche product.
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Looks at @denispage 's thread on the subject, it makes sense, and I give him the benefit of the doubt, at least, he doesn't seem to be purposefully trying to mislead anyone. i mean if he's wrong about something, I'd tack that up to an honest mistake not some attempt to lie.

Actually it's even worse than that, Fdev no longer considers developing games, as a profit center, this is why Braben is trying to make the company into a publisher because that will generate more profit for the company than anything else. I mean look how EA exploded, say what you want about their business practices but them going from developer to publisher allowed them to explode in size. And sadly, this is the path Braben has his company on, he wants to publish to make the money, and game development becomes simply a side project at that point, that only really costs money but allows the company to make games on occasion and still call it self a Game Developer.
 

kulebiakin

K
Exeider said:
Cancelling console development. Not leaving console Cmdrs in the dust, those are two SEPARATE things. This is what you're missing, it's not JUST the cancelling of console development, that's just disappointing. The fact they have ZERO plan to move those people over to PC and seem to not care to figure that out, THAT is what is ticking people off.
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you can still enjoy playing in the horizons.
 

Randomkeyhits

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Jack Winter said:
Sorry mate! Today must have been a dark day!

I stopped when I realized I didn't want to get to / stay in the top 10%, so settled for the top 25% and about a billion in profit.

FWIW, on Linux I use a 5.16 kernel and a version of wine-staging that supports esync, on proton that ought to be automatic if you have a 5.16 kernel. I have no proof but a distinct impression that it helps the framerate.
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I tend to do LTS releases, I've found Xubuntu meets my needs well and am on the 20.04 release, so a 5.4 kernel IIRC esync got added to Wine a couple of years ago and is definitely part of Proton.

Thanks for the info but understandably I'm in no rush to do anything. I guess Horizons will still exist for the foreseeable future as they are still selling ARX on console. I'm waiting to find out what FDev are going to tell us about the implications of their decision or if they are just going to do more radio silence.

Why do these companies not understand that silence is a void and when you are annoyed or frustrated and are yelling into that void all you get back are your own echoes for some negative feedback.
 

Kayrox

K
Dragsham said:
Sounds like another share price drop in the off. One doesn't lose a third of their player base and get off lightly.
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Yep
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