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I'm glad to see Great Lord CMDR David John Braben talk about "the long term future of Elite" as we have a bunch of these "creators" crying about how its dead.., you know when its dead? when it stopped breathing., Elite is clearly still breathing, so stop spreading your NONCEsense.
That's what DBOBE says now, but who know what he'll say in the future and whether it will bear any relation to what actually happens.
 
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Xbox One pad player here... am intrigued how PS5 pad support in Windows works these days, as I fancied switching to a PS pad for a while but was put off by the faffing about with 3rd party tools to make it work... has this improved since I checked (perhaps 1-2 years ago)?
Can’t speak to how it’s improved as only recently got my PC after a couple of decades as a console gamer.

The PS5 pad shows up as a PS controller but - at least in steam - essentially operates like an XBox controller:

  • Buttons are referred to as A/B/X/Y
  • Adaptive triggers just act like normal triggers
  • Touch pad in the middle does random things if you touch it (it’s supposed to support gestures)
  • Touch pad in the middle maps to R3 (right stick click) if you press it (it’s supposed to be 4 different buttons, one for for each quadrant/corner)

So, yeh, the pad itself is comfortable and it works with enough buttons to be fine but some dedicated drivers to enable the more advanced features would be cool.
 
Why should we? We have been discarded like trash and you seriously want us to be nice to them!!! Your crazy!
We have a choice walk away or play EDH it's still the game we have . Those who need to hear the anger won't be on and won't care and so the only ones that will get the anger are the ones who can't do anything ?
 
Because if you at any point tried to buy one to upgrade your PC in the last few years, you'd be well aware that the PC graphics card equivalents to those in the ninth gen consoles cost TWICE AS MUCH as a PS5 or Series X.


I actually at one point looked for my current existing graphics card to see if they might be cheaper, and second-hand listings for it are twice what I paid for mine! It's absolute insanity.
Not quite. Prebuilt PCs are no more expensive than they were as they have not been impacted by the supply issues (they had contractual priority) and artificial price inflation caused by scalers and miners. I doubt that many people who primarily play on a console would suddenly considered building their own pc.
 

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Can’t speak to how it’s improved as only recently got my PC after a couple of decades as a console gamer.

The PS5 pad shows up as a PS controller but - at least in steam - essentially operates like an XBox controller:

  • Buttons are referred to as A/B/X/Y
  • Adaptive triggers just act like normal triggers
  • Touch pad in the middle does random things if you touch it (it’s supposed to support gestures)
  • Touch pad in the middle maps to R3 (right stick click) if you press it (it’s supposed to be 4 different buttons, one for for each quadrant/corner)

So, yeh, the pad itself is comfortable and it works with enough buttons to be fine but some dedicated drivers to enable the more advanced features would be cool.
Ah ok, that's a pity then - would be a step back from the XBO pad as that works out of the box and has some nice little features (the triggers have rumble functionality which works quite well for driving games). Not the biggest fan of the sticks though (the texture of them really, find it quite uncomfortable after longer play sessions) but looks it's still the best option out there.
 
The poor decision was definitely adding a walking simulator to a space sim. All players asked for was being able to walk through their ship and now players get to walk the plank. Joy joy.
The space sim was (and is) unique.

Any views on the next "addition"? Do we get a SCUMMVM integration so we can play another totally unrelated genre of game?

BTW. Does this mean that if the next "addition" to the game is executed poorly the PC players get ditched too? Is this the new MO?
 
I bought a second hand Dell laptop core i7 + Quadro 2000M GPU for £450 last year when my old laptop (core i7) could not play EDO. I suspect that it may well do OK now also after the last 10 updates. I suspect that to continue playing Horizons as per current consoles, but with the updates when they come, would be cheaper still.

Actually, that laptop with a Quadro 2000M, it's way under the minimum specs for Odyssey. 😒
 
FWIW I don't think adding feet to ED is in itself a bad idea at all, had it been executed well it could have been an immense boon to the ED universe

Doing such a bad job that you can't port your own game to standardised hardware however
 
You know, it just dawned on me.

The Unreal Engine is owned by Epic Games.

Epic Games is owned by Tencent.

Guess who owns a stake in Frontier...?
Tencent owns a 9% stake...... thats hardly any connection to make....

HECK tencent owns 5% of ubisoft... yet noone does that claim
 
The poor decision was definitely adding a walking simulator to a space sim. All players asked for was being able to walk through their ship and now players get to walk the plank. Joy joy.
The space sim was (and is) unique.
All I was asking for was EVAs using the existing control scheme and physics model but with my first-person cmdr doing repairs to the outside of my ship and being able to get closer to and physically sample stuff like peduncle trees and whathaveyou.
 
Care to fill in the ppl who don't have time to read the financial reports ,pls ?
Actually I'm a professional investor and thus financial reports are the unexciting basis of my job, so I will try not to bother you with boring details but to sum it up:

  • he says Frontier had a loss, it's not true, they had a positive operating profit but an accounting loss, which is totally different (and which is often intentional to avoid paying taxes or defer them, and lots of companies used that possibility in the aftermath of covid). He also said that "loss" of Elite, which is wrong: EDO has been a disappoinment, yes, but there is a wide gap between failling to reach a profit target (that EDO did, sadly) and causing a loss
  • he says the game is doomed and groomed, but R&D expenses are increasing steadily, ans so are marketing expenses, which as investors are something we like as it shows that the company is investing in its future and that their finances and workforce are not under stress. The decision to cut consoles out, albeit a terrible one, is sound and will enable them to focus their efforts on the long-term (vs focusing on porting EDO to consoles, which would be their focus today without that decision and would actually mean another standstill for a year or so)
  • he says shareholders run the show but Braben and his directors own 34% of the company meaning that they have a veto power while the second largest shareholder has only 9% and there are only 7 shareholders holding more than 3%, meaning a very fragmented shareholder structure with different horizons and priorities (you even have governement involved) that are highly unlikely to team up to push for any change (and again, Frontier would veto this anyway). I don't say shareholders are happy, I say it dosen't matter that much given the structure at hand
  • he says the stock price is an issue but it's not, because it's only important if you plan to issue new shares or if current shareholders can take an active part (which, as I said, is really unlikely). New share issuance is unlikely too, as Frontier would prefer a strategic partnership (Tencent is a good guess if you ask me) or conclude a private deal (there is so much dry powder in private capital that it would be piece of cake to conclude something) not a new stock issuance that will dilute (i.e. reduce) the company ownership. Braben himself owns 33% of the company so any share price loss is first and foremost his, so the guy could cash in and walk away if all this was about money, but anyone who met him (actually I shared a conference call with him) can tell you the guy is not even remotely in this for the money.
  • And Elite is his life, something haters don't seem to get. The game has tremendous unlocked potential. I don't say they will unlock it, but it would be a folly to get rid of the game now. I even know of a thematic "Space fund" (owning stuf like SpaceX or satellite hardware) that owns Frontier because they have a leading space sim...
Now, I'm not saying Frontier did everything right or I approve their choices or that their communication is good. But they're not dying, nor is Elite dying.
 
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Not quite. Prebuilt PCs are no more expensive than they were as they have not been impacted by the supply issues (they had contractual priority) and artificial price inflation caused by scalers and miners. I doubt that many people who primarily play on a console would suddenly considered building their own pc.

What makes you think a console player wouldn't consider building their own PC? When Elite: Dangerous was Kickstarted I didn't have a computer powerful enough to play it, and there was no console version at the time. I was happy enough out of the perpetual PC upgrade loop with an XBox 360. I upgraded my computer enough to play the game at a decent rate

...and then VR came out. Back on the upgrading <sigh grin>
 
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