Game Bashing On Steam

[Crimson Kaim]

Yes every software can have bugs but it's not the bugs themselves that bothers the authors of the negative reviews complaining about bugs. It's the indifference from Frontier when it comes to fixing them.
For example, fighters cause network lag and that bug has persistet for over 3 years now.
What have Frontier done about it so far? Good question.

EDIT: Even in this post, I have found a typo the day after and fixed it for those that come after that day and read this post so they can enjoy this contribuition. If I find an error, I will attempt to corret it. Frontier on the other hand shows no sign of interest in developing such a habit.

 

[The Lawful]

How else can one help FDev push a piece of trash ? I know I'm not buying 5 copies ( Heck, I won't even buy one ).

What entitles you to judge EDO if you don't own even one copy? Inner strength?

O7,

 

[fennster]

What entitles you to judge EDO if you don't own even one copy? Inner strength?

O7,

Steam reviews?

 

[The Lawful]

Steam reviews?

Exactly. Petitio principii.

Thing is, the patient is dead, he won't come back. It makes no difference whether the rumours are right or not.

I wish you all a good and pleasant journey, while it lasts. Stay safe.

O7,

 

[Greasetrap42]

Exactly. Petitio principii.

Thing is, the patient is dead anyway and won't come back. It makes no difference whether the rumours are right or not.

Except its not just rumours. Especially for most of us on these forums.

Quite literally thousands of players purchased EDO, tried it, and quit. Some of those wrote bad reviews. And bad reviews from customers and professional critics will have a negative impact on a company that knowingly released a bad product. Any company knows that its tough to fix a bad reputation. That is why its not a good idea to do what Frontier did. Almost a year later and Frontier is still in damage control mode instead of hyping new things.

Frontier had a very strong fanbase prior to EDO. The fanbase was excited and steam charts show that upon the release of EDO the fans were willing to purchase and try it. The fans didn't kill the excitement. The product did.

If FD came out with a new DLC tomorrow called "EDO II the new beginning" and I saw a crazy great reviews from 3 professional critics I would forget everything and be first in line to purchase it. But like many other fans I won't trust FD again... no preorder... gonna wait for the reviews this time. Or... if FD dies a slow agonizing death I will remember the good times I had playing Horizons, a fantastic game.

 

[sinisalo]

The fans didn't kill the excitement. The product did.

This.

I still haven't bought Odyssey. it's not aimed at me and that's fine, I never asked for or wanted what it brings. I just wanted new ships. The fact that it was not well received has played a part in never changing my position. But honestly I thought it was a poor direction to go and never warmed to the idea, whether it had been great or not. If the reviews were glowing and my squadron mates never played without it I might be singing a different tune. But they don't, and neither do I.

I've been gaming for a long time and I've never bought anything as pre-order or early access, unless you count Red Dead Redemption 2 which I pre-ordered the day before release.

 

[The Lawful]

Except its not just rumours. Especially for most of us on these forums.

Quite literally thousands of players purchased EDO, tried it, and quit. Some of those wrote bad reviews. And bad reviews from customers and professional critics will have a negative impact on a company that knowingly released a bad product. Any company knows that its tough to fix a bad reputation. That is why its not a good idea to do what Frontier did. Almost a year later and Frontier is still in damage control mode instead of hyping new things.

Frontier had a very strong fanbase prior to EDO. The fanbase was excited and steam charts show that upon the release of EDO the fans were willing to purchase and try it. The fans didn't kill the excitement. The product did.

If FD came out with a new DLC tomorrow called "EDO II the new beginning" and I saw a crazy great reviews from 3 professional critics I would forget everything and be first in line to purchase it. But like many other fans I won't trust FD again... no preorder... gonna wait for the reviews this time. Or... if FD dies a slow agonizing death I will remember the good times I had playing Horizons, a fantastic game.

Leaves me with the suspicion you don't even own EDO and don't even know what you are talking about. Be true. Have you ever played EDO or not?

O7,

 

[Greasetrap42]

Leaves me with the suspicion you don't even own EDO and don't even know what you are talking about. Be true. Have you ever played EDO or not?

Be true, do know how to look up peoples forum post history instead of asking stupid questions?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/my-first-10-minutes.576420/
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...nd-guess-what-blue-cobra.577078/#post-9195891
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/game-needs-to-be-pulled.577366/page-3#post-9199960

 

[The Lawful]

Be true, do know how to look up peoples forum post history instead of asking stupid questions?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/my-first-10-minutes.576420/

I get the impression you have that ad hominem attitude out of conviction. Besides, I don't look up people without reason.

You may think of me what you will, and so it may be. I forgive you anyway. But this is the very end of our discussion, I'm afraid.

Stay safe, O7,

 

[nanite2000]

Leaves me with the suspicion you don't even own EDO and don't even know what you are talking about. Be true. Have you ever played EDO or not?

O7,

I own it and agree with everything he said.

As did the thousands of other negative reviewers on Steam.

Not sure why you’re trying so hard to deny reality.

 

[Sluggy71]

Ok, to put it in simple words: I didn't and don't blame FD for making mistakes, as we all do. But I do blame certain elements of an entitled crowd (possibly even including you) for ruining the entire game because of them, or just because they think it's cool, and it makes no difference at all anyway while the game is safely in Steam Hell. And yes, I know NMS and it's story, thank you for assuming otherwise.

Your ad hominem parts are forgiven. Take a step back next time.

O7,

I completely blame FDEV for making mistakes. Some of these including charging customers for the right to use an 'outdated' Alpha for a month and then disregarding any feedback received, then releasing a product so buggy it was basically unusable at launch. None of these are the paying customers' fault, and to insinuate it is is fanboi-ism at it's worst. Customers are ENTITLED to expect a usable product once they've paid for it.

Now try to excuse Frontier : First Encounters for me. When I bought that one in the mid 90's it wouldn't even install off the CD.

 

[Ian Skippy]

• Well, we’re going to make a galaxy sim and a space ship sim, while you lot will fill the voids with imagination

In my opinion, that is not enough for anything bigger than a demo.

Well, sims are often like that. In FS you just kinda fly around with no gameloops at all. In Assetto Corsa you just drive around.

If that stuff is not your thing, that's cool though. But that is indeed just that, your opinion. ED offers quite a few things to do, and many spend easily hundreds of hours until they get bored. Is that enough? Your call.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Well, sims are often like that. In FS you just kinda fly around with no gameloops at all. In Assetto Corsa you just drive around.

If that stuff is not your thing, that's cool though. But that is indeed just that, your opinion. ED offers quite a few things to do, and many spend easily hundreds of hours until they get bored. Is that enough? Your call.

Yeah, but FS will happily allow you to fly a 747 on day 1, without requiring that you jump through hoops (in ED's case, the same few hoops over and over again) before you can unlock it. So as 'pure' sims go, ED doesn't do a great job of accessibility, while as space-games go, it doesn't do a great job of gameplay.
Maaaaybe should have picked one aspect and run with it, rather than trying to be 'jack of all trades, master of none'.

 

[robbyp]

If you don't like it. Don't play. I've done that lots of times.

I like playing Elite. Still. Even after all the missteps

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

Yes, most of us agree that people have different opinions. All games on Steam have reviews. Some have more good reviews than bad and some are the other way round. I'm no expert, but I reckon that those games that have the highest proportion of bad reviews are bad compared with those that get the highest proportion of good ones.

One other thing. Only go by player reviews, not journalist or professional reviews. Several years ago, they would be more or less in agreement with each other, but now they're more or less diametrically opposite.

Can't always blame the journalists for that, either. A lot of them aren't receiving the same copy of the game that the consumers are getting.

Look at Gran Turismo 7. They dropped the predatory MTX's and massive grind after the journalist reviews came out. Now it has one of the lowest user scores on metacritic, despite an 87 critic score. The critics literally didn't get the same game. They got a version designed to deceptively draw good reviews.

 

[Erei]

Can't always blame the journalists for that, either. A lot of them aren't receiving the same copy of the game that the consumers are getting.

Doesn't matter. Game journalist have literally the best computers around (they can't really see if the game is badly optimised at times). They also are basically bribed.
See, as it happens, big companies like Ubisoft and EA are very nice people and like to offer free top of the line PC for game journalists, alongside their free press copy of their latest game, 2week ahead of release. So that the review is published right before release, when people are the most likely to read it.
And if you play nice, you even get some interesting pass for gaming events, E3, Blizzcon, you name it. It's good to be backstage talking to devs instead of waiting outside the building, isn't it ?
It would a SHAME to lose all those advantages and have the rest of the gaming press keep all the exclusive. A real shame.

Been that way for a long time.

 

[Leadfoot]

Odyssey was really bad when it was first released so it got all those bad reviews. The subsequent updates have improved it, but not enough for folks to change their reviews

And what have we learned here, students?

No matter what else happens in life, you have only ONE chance to make a good first impression.
Most people don't go back and update their reviews, so make sure their first impression is a good impression.
Glad I was able to help.

 

[Stealthie]

Indeed, review bombing is the latest explanation for people who disagree with a review rating.

Remember kids, if the game is rated highly and you disagree : "paid shill"
If the game is rated badly and you disagree : "review bombing".

The fact Steam punish harshly the first, and have measures to prevent the second is totally irrelevant.

It's like in a multiplayer game, if you got killed it's luck-cheat. If you kill someone, it's skill.

Well, yeah. I guess.

Personally, I only ever leave positive reviews of things I DO like - be it goods, services, games or movies.
I tend to find a lack of reviews is the most reliable indicator that something is garbage, rather than negative reviews.
If a thing has no reviews, it's probably because there's a better alternative.
If a thing has a heap of negative reviews, it might be because it's garbage or it might simply be because that thing has offended a small group in some way and resulted in review-bombing.

In the case of EDO, it'd be interesting to see how many negative reviews were posted in the last 6-12 months and how many have been posted in the last couple of weeks.
I have a feeling that a LOT of people will currently be expressing their displeasure at FDev cancelling console development by posting negative reviews of EDO.

If you were "reviewing" FDev, as a company, it might be reasonable to give them a negative review because they've cancelled console development but giving EDO a negative review because you won't be able to play it on a console is a bit silly.

 

[gorankar]

Leaves me with the suspicion you don't even own EDO and don't even know what you are talking about. Be true. Have you ever played EDO or not?

O7,

You can't leave a review on Steam for a game you don't have. The Steam reviews are from people that actually have the game. Even better, when you click on their review, it shows you whether they got it for free, how many hours they played, and whether they refunded it or not. You can disagree with the reviews, but you can't claim they don't have the game.

Also some of players have LEP. They have it all whether they want it or not.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

I also suspect that most people want to be positively biased about any game they purchase. If someone pays what is to them a non trivial amount of money for something, having it turn out foul just out of the gate is a trigger for regret, if the game is that bad it was your mistake. A majority of the positive reviews all talk about future positivity, so you can see this in action. Odd is priced more than a bad coffee so this probably in effect there.

Anyway Just engineered a second beluga on this cmdr after coming back from an exploration trip, this beluga for vip missions. Might even need a third for bulk economy. Always liked the space game. I haven't been mining in a while.. that's on the list too. I did burn myself out pre carriers on that so hopefully. And to think i was about to quit again. The trick is to not do anything else while playing elite. No podcasts, no audio books, just the game. Magic comes back.