Talking about shifting BGS to open only will be like talking to brick walls with these guys and we can live with that. I heard the cries about no counter CG to the Azimuth thing, and I personally think the narrative should be harder to achieve. Achieving the first tier advances the narrative in its favour, but the first tier is LAUGHABLY easy to get. Usually happens on the first day if not sooner.
The Open v Solo v Groups thread
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Luckily it will never happen and i can continue my risk free fortification of Utopia.
O7
Antal can enjoy his tiny corner of space alone while the big boys do all the moving and shaking o7
Every activity in ED is a niche activity, some enforceably meaningful PvP would be another welcome niche. I understand the reluctance over changing what's already in the game though, adding something new to fight over would probably get less opposition though.
I think that happens both ways. If you think a post is offensive you can report it & let a moderator decide (stated in the OP).
Also we as the PvP community take enough bashing from you lot. Also since when did debating become synonymous with bashing? If you can't debate with me, that's not my fault.
Happy to debate but as ive said these threads ALWAYS decend into a Power Play Must be Open topic.
PP is not a PvP activity, nowhere on Frontiers guide to PP (to the best of my knowledge) does it mention PvP.
I never get offended, too old for that
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We're not the ones creating thread after thread crying rivers because there's nobody in PvP for us to beat up on, abuse, gank and whatnot.
You are.
To the point the admins have had to consolidate your threads into one heaping pile of garbage thread. That's how bad the PvP crying has been. That's the point it has reached because of you people.
Power Play Open Only (PPOO) comes up a lot because it was the subject of a Focused Feedback Thread a few years ago (PPOOFF) along with several other changes to PP. It was a highly contentious topic, in part at least because changing it to Open Only would alienate a significant portion of the playerbase that are pledged but do not want to be forced to play in Open.
In principle I think it would have worked if PP were Open only from the beginning, and adding a new layer of manipulation that was Open Only would probably receive far fewer objections. Perhaps the moment has passed though, the game development seems to have moved away from encouraging direct adversarial conflict in favour of coop PvE and indirect PvP (via the BGS for example).
As a pvper l can understand the plight of those who do not wish to be shot up.
Haulers miners bgs runners pp advocates, all have that let's ambush em at the relevant base/ring etc ..
How attractive is that?
To jump from A to B only to be blown up predictably where the optimum ambush is. It's pants!
Why would any sane person run that gauntlet?
Solo ensures they can without being shot up. So..that's why so called care bears prefer it.
It's a no brainer!
The trick, is to make it worth while to em. And by that I don't mean more credits or rep etc. But something else
Also, they should have an edge.
Something a murder boat doesn't have. A defensive mechanism whereby the odds can be at parity depending on skill and cunning.
We've spoken of cloaking devices which would go some way to alleviation of risk. But it's frankly not enough.
The solo cmdr is doing the right thing because the mechanics ingame just don't exist to do otherwise.
Balance. Atm the scales are dipped firmly in the pvpers way.
Until that's addressed I don't see any reason why solo cmdrs would do open only.
Counter intuitive
Haulers miners bgs runners pp advocates, all have that let's ambush em at the relevant base/ring etc ..
How attractive is that?
To jump from A to B only to be blown up predictably where the optimum ambush is. It's pants!
Why would any sane person run that gauntlet?
Solo ensures they can without being shot up. So..that's why so called care bears prefer it.
It's a no brainer!
The trick, is to make it worth while to em. And by that I don't mean more credits or rep etc. But something else
Also, they should have an edge.
Something a murder boat doesn't have. A defensive mechanism whereby the odds can be at parity depending on skill and cunning.
We've spoken of cloaking devices which would go some way to alleviation of risk. But it's frankly not enough.
The solo cmdr is doing the right thing because the mechanics ingame just don't exist to do otherwise.
Balance. Atm the scales are dipped firmly in the pvpers way.
Until that's addressed I don't see any reason why solo cmdrs would do open only.
Counter intuitive
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The thread is a place for players with different opinions to discuss the issues / feature that the mode shared galaxy state provides.
There's plenty of opportunity for players to engage in "organic and dangerous player interaction" - however it has a pitfall - other players may not choose to participate in it, in a game where other players are optional.
That is a very valid argument.
Had it been that way from the outset though, we're probably not having this conversation because very few people would have ever bought the game, me included, because we would all know it would be just another Eve Online / World of Tanks massive clans beat up on the single player cess pool.
If threads always descend into a "powerplay must be open" topic, perhaps there's a reason why..
Instead, I see threads crying about their ship being blown up before said thread gets removed.
I'm perfectly happy to have more of the same, we didn't need this thread to exist nor did we ask for it to be created. If the topic of Open vs Solo & Groups continues to be a thing, then maybe the ones advocating for Open have strong arguments..
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed - however those other players don't need to choose to play among those who want to shoot at them.
While Powerplay activities can be directly opposed by players, whether they should, or not, is a matter of opinion.
In a game pitched to all players where the desired game experience is for all players to experience and affect the shared galaxy (see the Kickstarter FAQ), it's totally unsurprising that Powerplay was implemented in all three game modes.
Player opinions matter on both sides of the discussion.
.... and those dismissed using disparaging terms don't need to "care" what those doing the disparaging want....
Exactly. As the average age of the playerbase shifted to the mid-30s, games have to shift to a form of game economy/system that incorporates these customers that are limited on time. Forced PvP in a non-structural, open world manner is not friendly to these kinds of players because of the disparity in progress and accumulated power.
As I said before, PvE sells.
Trust me. The stereo type of pvpers being hot-headed young bucks hellbent on rage n fury, is kinda right hehe... but not all of them.
Some pvpers are highly skilled and practice their arts on each other. The game allows this.
But do the latter group go out and gank? No. They don't. Quite the opposite.
I would love to see an end to pointless ganking. As it's not pvp. Not to us.
Some pvpers are highly skilled and practice their arts on each other. The game allows this.
But do the latter group go out and gank? No. They don't. Quite the opposite.
I would love to see an end to pointless ganking. As it's not pvp. Not to us.