To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?

Can't we just accept that the game has three modes and anyone can use whatever mode they like,
I agree.
We know what Open is. No-one is disagreeing.
The person I quoted and replied to didn’t seem to.
and stop growing these ridiculous threads?
I don’t have the will power for that.
Quite a lot of other people aren't interested in playing with jerks, so they play in Solo instead.
I wouldn’t call someone a jerk for trying to blow my ship up, but I play in solo quite often to avoid interaction I don’t desire at the time. I am happy with the mode system as is and am not arguing change.
 
Yeah, same again. We know what Open is. No-one is disagreeing. Look around you: the complaints aren't coming from gank victims. They're from people who want everyone herded into Open. Can't we just accept that the game has three modes and anyone can use whatever mode they like, and stop growing these ridiculous threads?
I don't want everyone herded into open. What I do want is everyone to respect open for what it is. If they don't like it play in another mode. I make friends with every single person I engage with in combat because I understand its effect on instancing for people in open. Win or lose GG and the friend request is sent. I find some of the most challenging interactions are escaping from a gank or surviving actual 1v1 PVP fights. On another note I've just logged off ody in Deciat about 30 minutes ago there is at least 4 hollows floating around the star not going anywhere. I potted a few wanted NPC while I watched. If they are not looking to play chase me chase me then I have no clue what they are doing. Not worth shooting not even sure 3 of them would survive the first ram. def not worth notoriety for 8 hours as they will have crimes on.
 
def not worth notoriety for 8 hours as they will have crimes on.
You say this as if this were wrong.
This is another one of those PvP mysteries I'll never understand.
I fly with crimes on if I am on the lawful side, don't want to get attacked or even if I want to bring justice to them gankers.
Why should I turn off crimes? Honor? Where is the honor in ganking?

Open is everything goes. I fly crimes on, you try to gank me. I use healies and you use premium ammo.
Everything goes and no one has the moral ground imho.
 
I wouldn’t call someone a jerk for trying to blow my ship up, but I play in solo quite often to avoid interaction I don’t desire at the time. I am happy with the mode system as is and am not arguing change.
As a blanket statement I wouldn't either, but simply by the laws of averages it would be very unlikely that there aren't any players shooting others because they're jerks.
 
I'm not sure what made you think I dismissed other people's intentions and motivations as nonexistent - I was only talking about them being beyond your control, therefore irrelevant.
As explained above, there are two possible interpretations depending on the inner functions of the other person: villain or psychopath. One is unwilling, the other unable to consider others. It is beyond my control either way but I am equipped with a fence between us. You made yourself abundantly clear that you don't want to be seen as not having that choice, but the consequence is that I will pass a judgement.
Other players absolutely have intentions and motivations, I never denied that, it's just that they're none of your business, to put it bluntly.
Whether or not I form an opinion on what I perceive in others, and to which extent I decide to make them known, is none of your business, either.
I'm not really sure about your intentions and motivations here either, but you seem to be pretty upset to be honest. You want to talk about it, or you just want to blow up my pixel spaceship? Go for it buddy if you want, the rules of the game totally allow it, good luck. :)
Why do my intentions and motivations on the forum matter to you, while in game they do not?
Clicking on OPEN is consenting to human interaction in the game, regardless of your opinion of or desire for whatever form it takes, so long as is remains within Frontier’s rules. There is no such thing as an “unconsenting subject” in regards to PvP combat in open.
This is why the choices exist to avoid it. OP posits a different question. And we're discussing in its context the phenomenon why there is this recurring push to bring groups together who can't coexist.
Can you give us a psychological profile on those who expect others to play by the rules of a personally defined reality known only to them?
What?
 
You say this as if this were wrong.
This is another one of those PvP mysteries I'll never understand.
I fly with crimes on if I am on the lawful side, don't want to get attacked or even if I want to bring justice to them gankers.
Why should I turn off crimes? Honor? Where is the honor in ganking?

Open is everything goes. I fly crimes on, you try to gank me. I use healies and you use premium ammo.
Everything goes and no one has the moral ground imho.
You shouldn't turn crimes off if you don't want pvp. My point is that I understand that and it wouldn't be worth me potting all 4 of them to gain 8 hours of notoriety. You miss understood what I said. They might be looking for interdictions by their behaviour around the star but Id rather pull something with guns. As to Healies and premium ammo if you like that sort of thing enjoy. I would personally get rid of both but I do understand it's a choice you can make.
 
You shouldn't turn crimes off if you don't want pvp. My point is that I understand that and it wouldn't be worth me potting all 4 of them to gain 8 hors of notoriety. You miss understood what I said. They might be looking for interdictions by their behaviour around the star but Id rather pull something with guns. As to Healies and premium ammo if you like that sort of thing enjoy. I would personally get rid of both but I do understand it's a choice you can make.
Even if I want PvP (not consensual) but that sort that kills bad boys, why should I not use everything available to me?
I get that gankers get annoyed by police, and especially ATR, but that's not my problem, right? As it is not the ganker's problem if the gankee fails to
build his ship properly or fails gank evasion 101.
It's especially ridiculous if railverski gankers complain about 6booster FdLs and pilots using gimbals are called scrubs, especially when they win against "skilled" meta kbm point-and-click pilots.

This is all ok in tournaments and arranged PvP, but in open this is hypocritical.
 
Even if I want PvP (not consensual) but that sort that kills bad boys, why should I not use everything available to me?
I get that gankers get annoyed by police, and especially ATR, but that's not my problem, right? As it is not the ganker's problem if the gankee fails to
build his ship properly or fails gank evasion 101.
It's especially ridiculous if railverski gankers complain about 6booster FdLs and pilots using gimbals are called scrubs, especially when they win against "skilled" meta kbm point-and-click pilots.

This is all ok in tournaments and arranged PvP, but in open this is hypocritical.
In open anything goes that's the point and it should stay that way better or worse. In general open I normally run a 6 booster FDL. 3 Tc PA's and 2 cg rails nothing tricky nothing fancy. Every now and then I get an interesting fight. Every now and then I get a toxic build that's just best high waked from. I tend to run crimes off for the sake of honest fights. As to some of the KBM pvp pilots most people know where they are in the pvp pecking order. I don't see to many of the top 10 getting beaten often organic or organised. They are not all KBM. Walking would be a good example of that.
 
It would extinguish whatever remnants of emergent gameplay we have left.
It's called grind and it will always be there.
Or logoff/logon.

To Topic:
I would love flying in open if PvP could be opted out from.

World of Warcraft has such a setting, where on a PvE realm, you can disable your PvP flag and you cannot be attacked by a hostile faction player.
Once you activate your PvP flag and engage in PvP, it stays up for 5 minutes.
If you encounter other players with their flag off, you cannot engage them in any way, other than targeting them.
On a PvP realm, this flag is up all the time.

A setting like that, where I can choose to be part of PvP or not, I'd welcome playing in open and engage in other pilot interactions.
until then, I'm happy to fly in Solo.
 
Coop Multi could be improved, no doubt. But even now there are plenty of activities to do together. I regulary do wing missions (trade and combat) or simple escort flights with squadron members. Thank God, they fixed the wingtrade bonus...
You can do these in any private group or MOBIUS without changing anything. MOBIUS is strictly zero PVP under any circumstances.
 
... and is based on trust - which some former members of one or more PvE Private Groups have amply demonstrated is inadequate to guarantee a PvE experience.
Plus it requires going through additional hoops such as filling out a form and waiting for manual approval whereas all the other modes just require a single press of a button. Nor is it in any way, shape or form advertised in-game which in addition limits the potential audience.
 
If there were two open modes, pvp and pve, I wonder which would have the larger player base?

Fdev?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLhxKpfCnA
It would be an interesting experiment I would further add that you pick one mode of open and stick with it. Get rid of solo and groups and just have pve open and pvp open. If you want to change you reset your account. I would think a lot of people would run 2 separate accounts.
 
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