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  1. #21076
    Originally Posted by 1500 View Post (Source)
    I was talking about earth like, and even said that. You started talking about life. I have on multiple occasions tried to tell you otherwise but you ignored it. No moving goal posts, you have just been off topic, and I have tried to steer you back with not much success.
    Yeah, after life you mentioned planet being like earth:
    I would say because life likes to evolve in much the same way, sure there would be some differences but plants on our planet adapted that way because of the environment. Another earth like planet would have similar environmental factors as ours and as such the plants would develop in a similar way.
    If you meant by that 'earth analog where cyanobacteria already holocausted all other life through oxygen generation', sorry, misunderstood you. Still not guarantee to get same evolution. If there was no comet killing dinosaurs you would probably be using fangs to write that

  2. #21077
    Meanwhile, on Reddit:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen...say_this_week/

    Given the lack of, um, certainty about 'SC release timeframes', this seems a little harsh.

  3. #21078
    Originally Posted by Lysander lysan View Post (Source)
    If you make, lets say a small settlement, and give the npcs a day rhythm, like in the witcher. They get up at 6 and go to bed at 21:00
    Then you will see it as the settlement got a life, on top of that you need a weather system and some wild life.

    Looking at game like the witcher and even DayZ and other games where you have NPCS doing their thing and including whildlife you could get a system that was interresting enough to explore and then you got something.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx6nw0JMkRs
    Not really what I was getting at. NPCs having time-dependent patterns is relatively straight forward.

    It's getting it to scale to full planetary via procgen (for thousands of planets) and running in realtime in a way that adds value to a game, that's Frontier's task. No Man's Sky is an example of how it can be seen to go wrong.

    We don't have any idea how CIG are looking to solve it either.

  4. #21079
    Ouch. Are they really punishing their own backers who express concern that what was promised to them may not be actually delivered?

  5. #21080
    Pretty interesting discussion on evolution here...nice!

    I love taking thought experiments in this realm.

    For example, intelligence/success on Earth is shaped by a volatile and ever-changing climate. The species that have survived the longest or have covered more the planet surface are creatures most capable of adaptation to environments. Us humans, have achieved what we believe to be the apex of intelligence/success on Earth. Though our abilities of abstraction we are able to make predictions and prepare accordingly. A few animals exhibit glimmers of this but no animal has quite gone as far to make even the short-term predictions humans can make.

    Now, what if we are looking at a stable planet. Has existed just as long as Earth and has very similar conditions and composition except for volatility. Let's say that tectonic activity is either dead or very mild, orbit around its star is un-perturbed by an excess of other objects, the planet is well protected from impact either from a helpful planet nearby or the system was just clear of many objects and the star is an unremarkable but incredibly consistent (temperature) and long lived dwarf star.

    Without that occasional kick in the pants, does life on this planet ever evolve beyond bacteria? How much of evolution is driven by pure competition between hunters and the grazers and how much of it is from being better at surviving a changing world. I think it is tough to think along this path because we are children of that volatile and violent world. Our entire perspective and understanding of the universe is completely shaped by those facts. Anyway, in my fantasy scenario above, I'd predict it would be dominated by mega-fauna (dinosaurs). The competition race just amps up over the billions of years and hunters and grazers just get bigger and bigger with no catastrophic changes that invalidate that path.

  6. #21081
    Originally Posted by Asp Explorer View Post (Source)
    Ouch. Are they really punishing their own backers who express concern that what was promised to them may not be actually delivered?
    Maybe because the message the higher-profile gaming sites have taken away from CitizenCon seems to be "Squadron 42 delayed (oh, and sandworms)", so it's damage limitation time.

  7. #21082
    Star Citizen: Lets talk about alien planets and the evolution of life...because there is no game

  8. #21083
    Originally Posted by AJW View Post (Source)
    Meanwhile, on Reddit:
    http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...psnb6gluac.png
    https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen...say_this_week/

    Given the lack of, um, certainty about 'SC release timeframes', this seems a little harsh.
    Cripes...just don't post there, then. Seriously, why anyone still posts on the RSI forums is a mystery to me.

  9. #21084
    Having watched the footage back a few times, I can say that it certainly is a visually appealling collection of scripted set pieces.

    I do have some concerns over how truly dynamic the weather and giant sandworms will really be.

  10. #21085
    Originally Posted by Monk View Post (Source)
    I wanted to check on his CitCon predictions post...but I couldn't find it. I did notice though, he last posted on this thread on the 30th. Anyway, I'm thinking even he was a bit off on what would be shown.

    Perhaps those internet champion contracts are done monthly.

    "..a bit off"?

    Under

    Statement

    Of

    The

    Century.

  11. #21086
    Originally Posted by szopin View Post (Source)
    Yeah, after life you mentioned planet being like earth:

    If you meant by that 'earth analog where cyanobacteria already holocausted all other life through oxygen generation', sorry, misunderstood you. Still not guarantee to get same evolution. If there was no comet killing dinosaurs you would probably be using fangs to write that
    Yep so from the start I was talking about an environment like ours. So no goal post shifting, well except on your end. Like I have said multiple times, it would not be identical.

  12. #21087
    A lot of that depends on wether the Samdwormies are modelleled on a viscoelastic string

  13. #21088
    I think i finally collected myself enough to comment on the whole citizencon stream.
    Tldr it was dark comedy as a whole.

    -stream late for 1 hour
    -audio issues
    -stream goes down 4 times

    -Chris claims that star citizen production started back in 2013


    -Sq42 development started in 2014 the same year it was supposed to get delivered. -announcement of "spectrum" New revolutionary social app .... basically discord with battlenet stuff in it.
    -nobody clapping at the spectrum "johnnys not going to stage again"
    -polaris Ad again hardly nobody clapped. Derek Smart laughing devilishy on his stream
    -No squadron 42 for citizencon
    -No 2.6 star marine for citizencon Still 2 weeks with no trailers. Maybe we shall see it next year
    -star marine will feature loot drops. (loot crates anyone?)
    -3.3 "farming module going up, before research and science module, before other systems come to online
    -jump from 3.3 to 4.0
    -arena commander changes from gamescom got changed in citizencon.



    -planetary tech v2. A lot of horrible pop in and horrible framerate.
    you can even see the ground textures pop in as the guy walked around the scene.
    -scripted encounter with Tusken Raiders.
    -the ai cant adjust its guns only shooting forward
    -oh Shai Hulud cameo. I wonder if they have rights for that
    -nope not scripted cut scenes at all.

    -CIG playing cutscenes twice by accident. It seems like it didnt import properly into youtube version, but no worries derek smart has backup ready they should ask for it
    https://www.twitch.tv/thedereksmart/v/94027347?t=46m43s

    -Editor stuff nothing special just typical editor. Someone pointed out planet tycoon version of this that makes more sense, and is more intuitive to use.
    -when they played star citizen in editor runtime resources didnt move over 100 megs staying steadily in 11 gigs, no matter if they were in empty space or on planetary surface.
    -no re-entry effect on ship jumping from 1 atmosphere to another atmosphere. They didnt even bother to showcase the sulfur planet in editor.
    -awkward chris singing happy birthday star citizen.




    And thats most likely not all of it
    but this post is already long enough reading

  14. #21089
    Well I just watched the CitCon presentation and what can I say..... I was very underwhelmed.

    Usually CIG are really good at putting on a slick demo (Gamescom) but this was really flat I thought.

    There wasn't anything shown of for Star Marine even though it supposed be coming out in 2.6? I would have thought showing that off would have been a huge selling point?

    SQ42 delayed which is no surprise in all honesty as they haven't shown off anything from it apart from that Oldman speech.

    The PG planet? Some aspects of it were really nice I have to say, there were some really nice shots, but overall it felt quite generic and a bit cut and paste. What I mean by that is that the landscapes seemed a bit haphazard and jumbled up, and overall the geography didnt really seem to hang together that well.

    I can see the appeal of doing a Star Wars/Dune mash-up from a geeky point of view, but it didnt say anything about the game they're trying to make, it just kind of came off as a bit daft I thought.

    By the end I was left thinking... is that it?

    Not at all what I expected and I can see from the reactions online that its left a lot of folks with concerns.

    They really need to do something quickly to pull this back or it could start to slide and turn a little ugly...

  15. #21090
    Originally Posted by 1500 View Post (Source)
    Yep so from the start I was talking about an environment like ours. So no goal post shifting, well except on your end. Like I have said multiple times, it would not be identical.


    Holy wow, I quote your quote to which I replied starting this whole thread and it is about life:
    I would say because life likes to evolve in much the same way
    vs
    I was talking about earth like, and even said that. You started talking about life.
    PASS

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