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Thread: Lead Designers advice on dealing with griefing (part 2)

  1. #406
    Originally Posted by Rafe Zetter View Post (Source)
    Emotion comes from emotive things, cyber bullying and RL in your face bullying has been proven to produce the same emotional response; just as people go to the movies to watch horror films for the specific reason of being scared *hitless - or going to watch a comedy to make them laugh - are they pathetic for having an emotional reponse to the pixels on a big screen too, Ronan187? Space pixels are just as valid a method of interaction and source of emotive experiences as everything else around you on a daily basis.

    Unless you are a sociopath ofc, in which case the whole concept is alien to you; are you a sociopath Ronan187? Or do you lack the capacity to understand the not particularly complex subject of emotional involvement? Or maybe further you DO, and by insinuation that the community are "sad" you are in reality inflicting a form of bullying of your own, trolling, for your own gratification?

    In which case you are getting emotional gratification from pixels. The irony is strong with this one.

    and you.

    BTw both of you.... "pixels" is with an E not an A.

    (stuff in red = spelling corrections.)
    Interesting, but personally I think that it's not a lack of emotional empathy in a ganker/greifer/pkiller but them chasing their own positive one. They enjoy blowing people up for fun and this makes them feel that they are superior (even 5v1 trader). It's a positive emotion they are after, they also enjoy it when people complain and try to worsen it by claiming they are crying on the forum and name calling. They also upload salt gathering video's again for exactly the same reasons.

    Sociopath is I think a little over the top, but in the words of the man himself "teenagers" may actually be a much more accurate term. I don't mean this in a derogotory way towards all teenagers I'm simply acknowledging that certain forms of human interaction (playground bullying for example) are less common in older and younger people and a phase some people go through usually in their teens.

    Originally Posted by Rafe Zetter View Post (Source)
    Please state your ingame name so I can block you - then you won't have to deal with me.

    /irony
    Check your PM's.



    FDEV's official advice on dealing with griefing :
    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...efing-(part-2)

  2. #407
    Originally Posted by lokvette View Post (Source)
    Well excuse me from suffering from dyslexia, it's one of those things I have to live with which normally involves me re reading my posts and relying on spell check to adjust my typing, and no this isn't the first time I've had to point out that I suffer from it. You might notice that most of my posts have edited on the top, this is due to the fact I can read something I've written 10 times and still not see a mistake, then come back to it and then I see it. in this short passage the little tread line of spell check popped up at least 8 or more times.

    Add to that this is a games forum and people sometimes post from their phone picking up on people's spelling mistakes is a bit shallow, not even sure what you posted as I diddnt read anything you typed once I saw that.
    Everyone makes spelling mistakes, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

  3. #408
    Originally Posted by lokvette View Post (Source)
    Well excuse me from suffering from dyslexia, it's one of those things I have to live with which normally involves me re reading my posts and relying on spell check to adjust my typing, and no this isn't the first time I've had to point out that I suffer from it. You might notice that most of my posts have edited on the top, this is due to the fact I can read something I've written 10 times and still not see a mistake, then come back to it and then I see it. in this short passage the little tread line of spell check popped up at least 8 or more times.

    Add to that this is a games forum and people sometimes post from their phone picking up on people's spelling mistakes is a bit shallow, not even sure what you posted as I diddnt read anything you typed once I saw that.
    Hey! At least you have an excuse. I can't spell correctly and I don't have dyslexia. I rely on the wonderful autocorrect thing that my iMac has otherwise my posts would be more incomprehensible than they really are.
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  4. #409
    Originally Posted by MarkAusten View Post (Source)
    Hey! At least you have an excuse. I can't spell correctly and I don't have dyslexia. I rely on the wonderful autocorrect thing that my iMac has otherwise my posts would be more incomprehensible than they really are.
    Same, the only reason my posts are partially legible is auto-correct. I've got a total blind spot for apostrophes at the end of words as well, I can look up whats* right and I've forgotten again by the next sentence.



    (That 's' could go either way, I have absolutely no idea. Maybe I should have been a grocer)



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  5. Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. #410
    Sandro Sammarco is offline
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    Hello Commanders!

    A couple of points worth noting:

    The block effect is asymmetrical, in that it is much stronger when the blocking player is arriving at a location where the blocked player already is - effectively more of the onus is on the blocker to change their game than the blocked player.

    Instancing is a pretty complicated calculation, affected by a significant number of checks, such as instance populations, quality of player connections, friends, wing members, blocked players, blocking players, recent connections (and possibly more - far cleverer folk than me work this out). The weightings for these elements varies as well - wing membership, for example, is an extremely strong weighting towards allowing a match up.

    Whilst I'm sure that to some degree matchmaking can be influenced, the complexity and number of elements completely out of the player's control (or even knowledge) are a strong limiting factor.

    At the end of the day, ignoring players is a completely personal choice, that *influences* the chance of meeting ignored players, reducing the *potential* for match making with them.

  6. #411
    Originally Posted by Sandro Sammarco View Post (Source)
    Hello Commanders!

    A couple of points worth noting:

    The block effect is asymmetrical, in that it is much stronger when the blocking player is arriving at a location where the blocked player already is - effectively more of the onus is on the blocker to change their game than the blocked player.
    Thank you for that. However, if we look at it the other way around:

    Player A has blocked player B.
    Player A has exited SC and is now in space outside a station with players C, D and E (not friends or wingmates, just random players). Will Player B be unable (or be much less likely) to join that instance? I'd assume 'yes'.

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  7. #412
    Originally Posted by Sandro Sammarco View Post (Source)
    Hello Commanders!

    A couple of points worth noting:

    The block effect is asymmetrical, in that it is much stronger when the blocking player is arriving at a location where the blocked player already is - effectively more of the onus is on the blocker to change their game than the blocked player.

    Instancing is a pretty complicated calculation, affected by a significant number of checks, such as instance populations, quality of player connections, friends, wing members, blocked players, blocking players, recent connections (and possibly more - far cleverer folk than me work this out). The weightings for these elements varies as well - wing membership, for example, is an extremely strong weighting towards allowing a match up.

    Whilst I'm sure that to some degree matchmaking can be influenced, the complexity and number of elements completely out of the player's control (or even knowledge) are a strong limiting factor.

    At the end of the day, ignoring players is a completely personal choice, that *influences* the chance of meeting ignored players, reducing the *potential* for match making with them.
    As long as the process of blocking affects the Blocker more than the blockee.

    say for instance, I'm a wizzard that likes to farm horcruxes..... and as a result 10% of the total ED community has blocked me because they don't like how I play the game...


    now lets assume that in every single instance of 10+ there will be 1 CMDR that has blocked me.

    If I arrive at the busy instance will I be denied instancing rights? just because there is 1 out of the 10 people in the instance that holds a grudge for me killing everyone in hogwarts?


    Blocking etc, if designed correctly should make use of a "greater good" logic, where if less than 85% of that instance has blocked you, you are allowed to instance

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    Sandro Sammarco is offline
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    Hello Commander CMDR ColD_ZA!

    The chance of your evil wizardry causing you to not join an instance is (notwithstanding the multitude of other checks that I've mentioned) proportional to the number of Commander's in the instance who have blocked you.

    The more folk who have blocked, the lower the chance of a match up.

  9. #414
    Originally Posted by Sandro Sammarco View Post (Source)
    ...effectively more of the onus is on the blocker to change their game than the blocked player.
    Geez, there's a comment which is headed for instant meme status.

    Did you really mean to suggest that people who block those they consider to be acting unreasonably need to "change their game"?

    If you didn't mean it that way you should probably clarify what you did mean.

  10. #415
    Originally Posted by Stealthie View Post (Source)
    Did you really mean to suggest that people who block those they consider to be acting unreasonably need to "change their game"?
    It sounds perfectly reasonable. Imagine the instances are pubs. You are offered a list of pubs that you can drink at but one of them is currently hosting that wizard whose wand is too pointy for your taste. So you choose another pub. The landlord doesn't turf the wizard out when he sees you coming.

    The difference being that you are not actually shown the pubs or their patrons. The matchmaking server bundles you into a taxi and you roll out at the establishment it's chosen for you.
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  11. #416
    Originally Posted by Stealthie View Post (Source)
    Geez, there's a comment which is headed for instant meme status.

    Did you really mean to suggest that people who block those they consider to be acting unreasonably need to "change their game"?

    If you didn't mean it that way you should probably clarify what you did mean.
    Makes sense to me. The one with the populated blacklist is more difficult to matchmake. Plus we should all try to get along yada yada.

  12. #417
    Originally Posted by Riverside View Post (Source)
    Makes sense to me. The one with the populated blacklist is more difficult to matchmake. Plus we should all try to get along yada yada.
    Well, yeah.

    If the intention was to say that a player who's got a bunch of people on their block-list is likely to find themselves in a new instance, that's fair enough.
    Hell, even if some group are the biggest bunch of tools around (who might even have been caught cheating previously), I still wouldn't expect them to be "kicked" from an instance just cos I'd arrived in it and they were on my block-list.

    It's just that a comment such as "change your game" suggests it's up to people to deal with those who they find unacceptable, instead of blocking them.

  13. #418
    Originally Posted by Stealthie View Post (Source)
    It's just that a comment such as "change your game" suggests it's up to people to deal with those who they find unacceptable, instead of blocking them.
    Which is true, of course, up to a point. Beyond that point is a different matter.

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  14. #419
    Originally Posted by Stealthie View Post (Source)
    Geez, there's a comment which is headed for instant meme status.

    Did you really mean to suggest that people who block those they consider to be acting unreasonably need to "change their game"?

    If you didn't mean it that way you should probably clarify what you did mean.
    I read it to mean if you use block, it will (depending on overall calculation) change the possibility of you entering an instance with someone you've blocked. So by using block, you effect your own chances of joining instances with blocked players, not kick the blocked elsewhere.

    Subjective anyway, as always.

    Sandro's second comment is only interpretable one way however, the more players in an instance have blocked someone the more effective it will be at keeping that someone out of that instance.



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    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...efing-(part-2)

  15. #420
    Originally Posted by Stealthie View Post (Source)
    It's just that a comment such as "change your game" suggests it's up to people to deal with those who they find unacceptable, instead of blocking them.
    Honestly I think you are overanalysing. Change your game refers to the effects of you changing what happens in your game by using block, not some mystic guidance to true ED-wisdom from the RNG gods.



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