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Thread: Lead Designers advice on dealing with griefing (part 2)

  1. #646
    Originally Posted by Mesolithic View Post (Source)
    The very functionality of the block feature allows me to enforce my own rules, in addition to Frontiers.
    If you can't understand how every player playing by their own set of rules in a multi-player game is going to cause issues, we're never going to find common ground on this topic.

  2. #647
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    I keep track of known habitual combat loggers, when I can, so that I know not to waste my time interacting with them. They aren't willing to play the game and I don't feel compelled to conform to their personal set of rules where they never have to face any consequences for their actions.

    I don't block combat loggers anymore as it's counter productive to my own instancing and the instancing of others. Nor would I block someone just because they were part of some list. I either need to have statements from individuals I consider credible, sufficient evidence gathered myself, or clear cut cases caught on video (preferably multiple times or including an admission of guilt from the accused). I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, using context clues, and patterns of repeat incidents, so that I'm not claiming a confirmed willful disconnection without due cause.
    Sounds reasonable to me. You are taking personal responsibility for the improving the quality of your game experience. You have chosen not to use the block function to achieve this. Others find the block function a useful tool for achieving the same goal.

    I don't use the block list either, never have. I don't keep or use any lists except for my personal friends list. But I see no reason to deny others the use of blocking if it helps them enjoy the game more.

    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    The very functionality of the Block feature is a statement of Frontier's abdication of responsibility when it comes to enforcing their own rules.
    I agree that Frontier don't do a very good job of enforcing their own rules, but I disagree that they have abdicated responsibility. It's a difficult task and I get the feeling they are learning how to do it as they go along. Enforcement will never be perfect anyway. I prefer Frontier making a hash of it to unaccountable players trying to enforce their own rules on the community. If individuals are using the block list to paper over the cracks in Frontier's enforcement then it seems like an appropriate use of the tool.

  3. #648
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    If you can't understand how every player playing by their own set of rules in a multi-player game is going to cause issues, we're never going to find common ground on this topic.
    The multi-player aspect of ED is optional, and customisable. I think the misunderstanding is yours in this case.

  4. #649
    Originally Posted by Riverside View Post (Source)
    The multi-player aspect of ED is optional, and customisable. I think the misunderstanding is yours in this case.
    The multiplayer aspect of ED is not optional in any mode and the customization available within the Open mode is one of it's key issues.

  5. #650
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    The multiplayer aspect of ED is not optional in any mode and the customization available within the Open mode is one of it's key issues.
    Not an issue, a design choice & a feature. BGS manipulation is the only part of the multiplayer experience that is universal, direct player to player contact is optional & customisable by design.

  6. #651
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    The multiplayer aspect of ED is not optional in any mode and the customization available within the Open mode is one of it's key issues.
    There is no such thing as compulsory in either a video game, or interacting with other people.

    It's all entirely voluntary.

  7. #652
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    The multiplayer aspect of ED is not optional in any mode and the customization available within the Open mode is one of it's key issues.
    This only rings true if your talking about the BGS as if im playing in solo im choseing not to play with others and I can chose not to touch the BGS thus Mp aspect of the game is very optional.

    But then I never brought the game under the premise of it being anything but a solo game with the option to play with others if I wanted to which on the whole I dont.

  8. #653
    Originally Posted by CMDR ColD_ZA View Post (Source)
    many game mechanics are a bore and not fun,


    • searching for USS's hours on end to find the right mats,
    • roaming a planet surface to get mats,
    • supercruising for 30 mins because your delivery station is 500k ls away,
    • suffering thousands of loading screens just to get to colonia


    to name a few,

    but you don't see other players installing code injectors and trainers to circumvent those mechanics,

    you need to compare apples with apples here, you talk about cheating... what I mentioned is cheating to circumvent boring game mechanics... but what you are suggesting is also cheating to avoid what you deem boring game mechanics
    That's not comparing apples to apples, but apples to foul eggs. I don't want to spend my free time with foul eggs, they're just biowaste after all.

    That being said, I went back to playing Open from Mobius some months ago, and I blocked only two players since then. Hardly any problems with griefers, even at The Oracle.

    The only semi-aggressive PvP interaction was me being interdicted by a legit pirate. I actually enjoyed that and jettisoned the cargo he demanded. Of course I didn't block him, as encounters like this add to the excitement and feeling of being in danger.

  9. #654
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    The multiplayer aspect of ED is not optional in any mode and the customization available within the Open mode is one of it's key issues.
    Of course it is, don't be silly.

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  11. #656
    Originally Posted by Commander Deschain View Post (Source)
    That's not comparing apples to apples, but apples to foul eggs. I don't want to spend my free time with foul eggs, they're just biowaste after all.

    That being said, I went back to playing Open from Mobius some months ago, and I blocked only two players since then. Hardly any problems with griefers, even at The Oracle.

    The only semi-aggressive PvP interaction was me being interdicted by a legit pirate. I actually enjoyed that and jettisoned the cargo he demanded. Of course I didn't block him, as encounters like this add to the excitement and feeling of being in danger.
    Even having taken a fairly aggressive approach to blocking I've only got a grand total of nine players blocked, I simply don't see any of the usual station griefers anymore.

    It used to be eleven but I think a couple got perma'd.

  12. #657
    Originally Posted by Un1k0rn View Post (Source)

    And to haters: No, this isn't going to change on Xbox. Blocking is actually out of Frontier's hands on Xbox, as the blocking is done on the Xbox Live service itself. You're not blocking in one game; you're blocking from all games.






    I think it is safe to say a griefer in one game will grief in other games. Therefore, the XBox block feature is superior to the PC block feature.

  13. #658
    Update :

    It seems griefers may be trying to exploit the friends list to bypass the block function at the evacuation ships, if you meet a pair (one blocking the pad, one ramming) make sure you block and report both of them to avoid being instanced with them.

    Also submit a support ticket so you get your rebuy back.

    Source : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...eresting-Grief

  14. #659
    Originally Posted by Stigbob View Post (Source)
    Update :

    It seems griefers may be trying to exploit the friends list to bypass the block function at the evacuation ships, if you meet a pair (one blocking the pad, one ramming) make sure you block and report both of them to avoid being instanced with them.

    Also submit a support ticket so you get your rebuy back.

    Source : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...eresting-Grief
    Nice advice, up to the report part, and rebuy ask. I don't think it's reportable, or reimbursable

  15. #660
    Originally Posted by EvE4evah View Post (Source)
    Nice advice, up to the report part, and rebuy ask. I don't think it's reportable, or reimbursable
    I never bothered reporting them myself but then I've got them blocked already anyway so it's too late for me, that advice comes from Rootsrat (it's in the OP) basically if someone's enough of a griefer for you to block them why not report them for everyone's sake. FDEV as the GM's can decide if they think it requires any action.

    The support ticket for getting your cash back advice is definitely sound (it's easy and it works), if the block function fails or you meet a griefer you shouldn't lose any progress (it also really annoys griefers when they find out their efforts are wasted).