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Thread: Serious Question, Why cant we name and shame ?

  1. #31
    Originally Posted by valbarr View Post (Source)
    im talking about the game doing the verification, it wouldnt let you make a claim of the person didnt attack you or kill you. you would only be able to accuse someone, that the game knows did something.
    And it's still far too easy to spoof, unless you want FDev to waste an enormous amount of time on some sort of automated weapons fire/battle forensics system.

    Orbiting inside the Roche Limit of sanity

  2. #32
    Originally Posted by valbarr View Post (Source)
    how is it to easy to exploit give examples ?
    You act like a tool, record it when your target retaliates and then post it up on the forums as "proof" that they're not a nice person.

  3. #33
    Originally Posted by IndigoWyrd View Post (Source)
    Pretty much as has been said above - society has gone spineless. Everybody is too worried about everyone else, and has all but forgotten about themselves. We walk around miserable because we think if we're happy, someone else is not. And spending so much time worrying about those who are unwilling to worry about themselves, take care of themselves, entertain themselves, be happy themselves, makes everyone else miserable.

    We make up nonsense words, denigrate ourselves, abandon common sense because someone else might feel bad. And then we top off this giant s--t sundae with media sensationalism then put a big dingleberry on top of it by shaming anyone who questions what's wrong with this picture.

    Shame on all of us for allowing this to happen.


  4. #34
    Originally Posted by IndigoWyrd View Post (Source)
    Could you imagine if, instead, they took a backboned position and said "You people created this, you work it out for yourselves."? Make people take responsibility for their own actions? Inconceivable.

    We all know we're not responsible for our own actions, we're just victims.
    But what is published here is the responsibility of the owners of the site, whether anyone likes it or not. Everything published here is published by them. One can easily avoid any responsibility for what one posts anonymously on a forum. If the site owners are not responsible, no one is.

  5. #35
    Originally Posted by Jukelo View Post (Source)
    Which then leads you to the second issue, and probably the most important one: Frontier explicitely forbids harassement. There is a more than reasonable assumption that naming and shaming would be used exclusively to harass players (that's almost literally what the OP describes), both in and out of the game.
    so what if the game lets you kill a newbie once maybe twice, and then that newbie is allowed to tick a flag, and if you then attack them, YOUR the one that is doing the harassment.

  6. #36
    Originally Posted by valbarr View Post (Source)
    so what if the game lets you kill a newbie once maybe twice, and then that newbie is allowed to tick a flag, and if you then attack them, YOUR the one that is doing the harassment.
    Which is where the proposed C&P&K system will take effect.

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  7. #37
    im not talking about the forums anymore. im saying when your in the game, if someone kills you, ie the game registers that they fired first on you, you can go to a station and there would be an option, to set a bounty on that persons head. or inform the local news feed what they did, in case you dont have much money, and it would only let you do this, if that person attacked you first.

  8. #38
    Originally Posted by Arthur Shappey View Post (Source)
    I don't do this. I don't (yet) kill other players in the game - I've never had any desire to, and I'm probably not good enough!

    BUT - I do believe in game freedom, if people want to grief (in game) they should be allowed to. Why is that a bad thing? It's a game where the combat rank of Elite is the most coveted thing - it promotes killing other ships. We go into HasRes zones and happily kill loads of NPC ships without a care in the world how "noob" they are. We go to Convoy Beacons in famine systems and kill loads of innocent NPC Type 9 pilots for their Chemical Manipulators - that is thoroughly unethical. Nobody complains.

    The only failing here, and the only gripe there should be - should be directed at FDev who have failed to make an effecitive crime & punishment system. To be fair they are trying to fix this for 2.4 - we shall see... But I won't blame the griefers. They are just having fun playing the game the way they want to. Players beware! Have fun!!

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    Yes, but part of the system is having "good guys" and "bad guys". The system doesn't really make it easy to take out bad guys, but it is incredibly easy to be a bad guy, and have no consequences.

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  9. #39
    Originally Posted by valbarr View Post (Source)
    im not talking about the forums anymore. im saying when your in the game, if someone kills you, ie the game registers that they fired first on you, you can go to a station and there would be an option, to set a bounty on that persons head. or inform the local news feed what they did, in case you dont have much money, and it would only let you do this, if that person attacked you first.
    So you think it would be ok to set a bounty on someone because they accidentally pinged a pulse laser off your shields in a HazRES when you got in the way?

    No thanks.

    Orbiting inside the Roche Limit of sanity

  10. #40
    Originally Posted by GreyAreaUK View Post (Source)
    Which is where the proposed C&P&K system will take effect.
    I'm not convinced, in all honesty, but I'll reserve judgement...

    Z...
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  11. #41
    Originally Posted by GreyAreaUK View Post (Source)
    Which is where the proposed C&P&K system will take effect.
    Originally Posted by Zeeman View Post (Source)
    I'm not convinced, in all honesty, but I'll reserve judgement...

    Z...
    I'm certainly not expecting much at the start, but I'm hoping they can refine it over time.

    Orbiting inside the Roche Limit of sanity

  12. #42
    Rob At Work, Zeeman and Herbrand:
    I think you all know very well that this has nothing to do with "feelings" or "political correctness", and that it has everything to do with preventing mere accusations of poor player conduct turning into forum witch-hunting and in-game gank-fests with little or no regard for the basic concepts called "burden of proof" and "natural justice". Who gets to be the arbiter of whether someone's posted Youtube video is sufficient evidence of a player's poor conduct to warrant a mass revenge gank on that player? You?

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  13. #43
    Originally Posted by GreyAreaUK View Post (Source)
    So you think it would be ok to set a bounty on someone because they accidentally pinged a pulse laser off your shields in a HazRES when you got in the way?

    No thanks.
    Oh, but they should be aware of their surroundings!

    Seriously, the in game police deem a single poorly placed pulse laser in a mental 12 ship encounter to be worth of forgetting about the Elite Pirate Lord with the 387k cr bounty on his head, to all turn on you. So, why not?

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  14. #44
    Originally Posted by GreyAreaUK View Post (Source)
    So you think it would be ok to set a bounty on someone because they accidentally pinged a pulse laser off your shields in a HazRES when you got in the way?

    No thanks.
    how would that be any more griefing than what we currently have, people in wings of 4 corvettes waiting outside stations to gank newbies in sidewinders ?

  15. #45
    my try:

    because: somebody ganks you, you want to confront him.

    *IF* you want to come to an agreement and solve the conflict it is necessary to deliver this accusation directly in private.

    to place the accusation in public and not direct it at the other person in question but instead at the auditorium *always* escalates the conflict.

    so
    * make a post about a bad player and name him-> YOU are looking for trouble-> Bad
    * write the other player a PM -> good.

    (this is also true in real life)
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