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  1. #16
    Originally Posted by Erid View Post (Source)
    For now it can't be read because it don't have repeated messages.
    I called it "a post code" ("a barcode" is fine too).

    Perhaps the message or code is incomplete - I have noticed their are different background sounds at each of the Ancient Ruin sites that are labelled by Canonn as Gamma, Beta, and Alpha - have all 3 background noise/music from the sites been recorded seperatly?

  2. #17
    Originally Posted by Dedhed View Post (Source)
    Thanks to Ozric for the heads up on this. In response to the "Barcodes" bullet point, I went googling and this thread is the only thing I could find. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...ply-randomness

    Here's the image Clanga posted there

    http://i.imgur.com/1Tp4lJg.png
    The OP around this is here:

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...=1#post4751754

    Also, there's further info on the FP of the old thread. (It's a little way down in the third post on the thread, and is under the heading "There could be a message hidden in the Obelisks spectrogram":

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...-10-The-Canonn

    There's various other discussions around it through both Thread 9 & 10.

  3. #18
    Originally Posted by CMDR Dreamstate View Post (Source)
    Perhaps the message or code is incomplete - I have noticed their are different background sounds at each of the Ancient Ruin sites that are labelled by Canonn as Gamma, Beta, and Alpha - have all 3 background noise/music from the sites been recorded seperatly?
    The 'barcodes' aren't in the background noise, they're in the noise from the Obelisks.

  4. #19
    Originally Posted by Thatchinho View Post (Source)
    The 'barcodes' aren't in the background noise, they're in the noise from the Obelisks.
    Has anyone recorded the background noises to see if there's any messages in that? Sometimes it sounds like words are being whispered etc

  5. #20
    Originally Posted by CMDR Dreamstate View Post (Source)
    Has anyone recorded the background noises to see if there's any messages in that? Sometimes it sounds like words are being whispered etc
    Yep, first bullet point on the list!

    Not much has been done on that front though and what was done was way back in the days of the original site. (I'm only going off the forum btw, so wouldn't know if anything's been done that hasn't been reported on one of the threadnaughts.)

    Anyway, I found two instances, one which might be a phrase and one which might be a word. Original post is here:

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...=1#post4949784

    And a follow up which includes the audio files and instructions on how to replicate the extraction of the phrases is here:

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...=1#post4952412

    Commandante had also found some and was looking at them again recently:

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...=1#post5924501

    I should just add a few points:
    - These might not be words, it might just be that they sound vaguely like words
    - They're not easy to find
    - They might not be specific to the ruins and might be there in normal background audio

  6. #21
    Originally Posted by Meme the little Thargoid View Post (Source)
    Well, i'm personally more on the road that thargoids are the descendants of the guardian AIs, so to speak.

    Look at it in this perspective:
    We know the guardians could alter DNA, create living beeings for special purposes.
    They were realy advanced in biology and it was no shame to use it.
    In their future, they created AIs, used them with no concerns. The technology group linked itself with them, used global networks etc. (It's said that Thargoids have some sort of colective mind > maybe a development step from the network. It was their way to communicate, the best way. Why not use it in another form, more advanced and independant.)
    But after some time the guardians split in two groups, fighting each other. The AIs were teached from this war that the hosts, the guardians, are to vulnerbale and they created their own bodies to exist without a need of a vulnerable host/implant.

    So my personal thought about the thargoids:
    They ARE the AIs, or what they are now.
    They destroyed the guardians entirely, maybe. Because ALL of them could be a potential threat to them. Or the old story: Live is imperfect, makes mistakes, emotional (religious), to slow in developement and a threat because fear and so on.
    It would explain why they act so passively, when you don't harm them. They doing their job. We are not of interest, for now and in this moment. Effectiveness all in all. Like an AI would act, like an AI "learned" to act.
    They search something, they need to destroy a ship for that? They do it. They see guardian technology? They want to destroy it.

    That would be very terriying.
    The Guardians didn't use AIs without concern though. The war that wiped them out was fought over the AIs. So, just to outline in brief:

    -Basic AIs were created
    -Guardians developed brain implants which allowed them to connect themselves directly to their network.
    -The Implants provided extra processing power and allowed the AI to develop sentience.
    -This resulted in an exponential increase in the development of science & technology
    -More Guardians got implanted to keep up.

    Guardians society then split roughly along the lines of those who were implanted and those who didn't accept the new technology. The latter became a religious movement which eventually exiled all of the Guardians who had accepted the technology.

    The AIs at this point were still virtual beings that only existed as part of the network. However they wanted to be able to exist independently and sought to achieve this. The religious group turned to violence, not just to prevent it, but also against the Guardians who accepted the AIs.

    This led to the second civil war which ultimately wiped out the Guardians. (Although there's also the 'Foe/Adversary' which may have been responsible for their final eradication.)

    Anyway, on a few of your main points...

    Yeah, a FTL network of minds could potentially be the basis for a collective mind. There's also the exiles to consider here- we don't know what happened to them, but we do know they were implanted, and hence could also connect directly to networks, and also act as hosts to AIs.

    If the Thargoids were the Guardian AIs then major parts of Guardian society embraced, supported and fought for them. Why would the AIs act against all Guardians?

  7. #22
    Originally Posted by Thatchinho View Post (Source)
    The OP around this is here:

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...=1#post4751754

    Also, there's further info on the FP of the old thread. (It's a little way down in the third post on the thread, and is under the heading "There could be a message hidden in the Obelisks spectrogram":

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...-10-The-Canonn

    There's various other discussions around it through both Thread 9 & 10.
    Correct me if I am wrong but i thought that recording a barcode take a lot of time.

  8. #23
    Originally Posted by Thatchinho View Post (Source)
    Lots of history from Ram Tah
    zomg it's Deus Ex in SPAAAAACE

  9. #24
    Originally Posted by Erid View Post (Source)
    Correct me if I am wrong but i thought that recording a barcode take a lot of time.
    Yes and no. No in the sense that it's quick to start and get some of a barcode. Yes in that people have recorded for a long time and seen no sign of the pattern repeating, so it doesn't appear that anyone's yet been able to record the whole thing. That is of course assuming that there is a 'whole thing' which plays and then repeats. - this might not be the case.

  10. #25
    Originally Posted by Thatchinho View Post (Source)
    Yes and no. No in the sense that it's quick to start and get some of a barcode. Yes in that people have recorded for a long time and seen no sign of the pattern repeating, so it doesn't appear that anyone's yet been able to record the whole thing. That is of course assuming that there is a 'whole thing' which plays and then repeats. - this might not be the case.
    Funny that it's looks like a simple task - stay still and record, but it can take a lot of time and no one know exactly how much. I saw several recordings of barcode and don't see repeatable patterns. Maybe it's time for new recording...

  11. #26
    Originally Posted by Erid View Post (Source)
    Funny that it's looks like a simple task - stay still and record, but it can take a lot of time and no one know exactly how much. I saw several recordings of barcode and don't see repeatable patterns. Maybe it's time for new recording...
    Yeah, agreed. Think we need some more info about each recording too - site, obelisk, time of recording, was the obelisk scanned, what artefact combo was it scanned with, was it scanned with the artefact combo for the Ram Tah data.

  12. #27
    Originally Posted by Meme the little Thargoid View Post (Source)
    Well, i'm personally more on the road that thargoids are the descendants of the guardian AIs, so to speak.

    Look at it in this perspective:
    We know the guardians could alter DNA, create living beeings for special purposes.
    They were realy advanced in biology and it was no shame to use it.
    In their future, they created AIs, used them with no concerns. The technology group linked itself with them, used global networks etc. (It's said that Thargoids have some sort of colective mind > maybe a development step from the network. It was their way to communicate, the best way. Why not use it in another form, more advanced and independant.)
    But after some time the guardians split in two groups, fighting each other. The AIs were teached from this war that the hosts, the guardians, are to vulnerbale and they created their own bodies to exist without a need of a vulnerable host/implant.

    So my personal thought about the thargoids:
    They ARE the AIs, or what they are now.
    They destroyed the guardians entirely, maybe. Because ALL of them could be a potential threat to them. Or the old story: Live is imperfect, makes mistakes, emotional (religious), to slow in developement and a threat because fear and so on.
    It would explain why they act so passively, when you don't harm them. They doing their job. We are not of interest, for now and in this moment. Effectiveness all in all. Like an AI would act, like an AI "learned" to act.
    They search something, they need to destroy a ship for that? They do it. They see guardian technology? They want to destroy it.

    That would be very terriying.
    See the Story of Mass Effect 1 - 3 .

    "The geth ("Servant of the People" in Khelish) are a race of networked artificial intelligences that reside beyond the Perseus Veil. The geth were created by the quarians as laborers and tools of war. When the geth became sentient and began to question their masters, the quarians attempted to exterminate them. The geth won the resulting war, and reduced the quarians to a race of nomads.The history of the geth's creation and evolution serves as a warning to the rest of the galaxy of the potential dangers of artificial intelligence and to the legally enforced, systematic repression of artificial intelligences throughout galactic society."

  13. #28
    Originally Posted by Erid View Post (Source)
    For now it can't be read because it don't have repeated messages.
    I called it "a post code" ("a barcode" is fine too).

    the spoiler looks like a DNA test results "yes bob your mother was a thargoid, but the DNA test reveals you dad is the Milk man from Zaonce"

  14. #29
    Originally Posted by fieval View Post (Source)
    Has there been any thought at all regarding the site out at SKAUDAI ?

    It just seems odd having one lonely little site way out there.
    Has there been any survey work in that direction? (In other words, I'm thinking of cruising out that way. But do not want to reinvent the wheel...)
    (Assuming the Guardians had a wheel )
    I'm out there now; initially to see if there have been changes since 2.4 but it seems the ruins out here have not been examined at all other than having been located. Two more systems were reported here that don't appear on the Canonn data sheets: PRUA PHOE UG-B D86, 3 sites on C2, and 2 on C3 and PRUA PHOE TS-B D252, not been there yet.

    Worth noting the Sacaqawea Space Port in Skaudai CH-B d14-3, a nice local base for operations.

    No work it seems have been done on any of them. Could these site belong to the exiles, sure a long way from the rest. Could they cough up something different? Would exiles run a separate network? Are they just more of the same, or a stepping stone in the Guardian story?

    ----------------
    Spoke too soon, the Canonn sheet https://ruins.canonn.technology/# was updated today with two more systems in the area and nice new graphics with the sites all worked out but its all just more of the same.

  15. #30
    Exactly!
    It could be plausible that the thargoids are in some sort the guardian AIs, OR they are both. The exiled guardians and AIs as one.
    But what we realy know for now: The thargoids react to guardian technology.
    If they aware of the guardians as a race is in question or if they only react to this specific sort of energy signature, because it is unknown.
    The first seems more logical.

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