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Thread: Thargoid Data Gathering Effort: We need your help!

  1. #46
    Originally Posted by spameroo View Post (Source)
    Do you mean that you'd be able to visualize the data if someone else could write some code to log it to some central repository?
    I can write a plugin for EDMC to talk to a central repository but can't provide a repository or visualisation. I think there is a Canonn project for displaying data on a star map so could see if they had an API or a server we could use.

    I'll look into the google API as well

  2. #47
    Originally Posted by LCU No Fool Like One View Post (Source)
    I can write a plugin for EDMC to talk to a central repository but can't provide a repository or visualisation. I think there is a Canonn project for displaying data on a star map so could see if they had an API or a server we could use.

    I'll look into the google API as well
    Here is a fully automatic prototype. I could also get it to find the Coordinates from EDSM if that makes things easier.

    https://github.com/NoFoolLikeOne/EDMC-USS-Survey

    If you want user input then we could make it display a link to a user editable form that is pre-populated with events from the journal.

  3. #48
    I believe the Thargoids are showing Behavior more akin to territoriality than overt Hostility

    I've been pottering about Pleliades Sector HR-W D1-64

    I have dropped in to three unidentified signal source non human signal source threat level five.

    Upon arrival each time I have been scanned by the Thargoid interceptor present and then it has moved off

    I have then myself scanned the Thargoid (Xeno Scanner) which then causes the thargoid to deploy hardpoints. It seems as though it does so as a warning interpreting the deployment of my scanners as a potential threat, however; I move off immediately after scanning and am not followed and we go on our way. It tolerates my presence in its vicinity (the green cloud)

    It then engages its frame shift anomally which appears to be a wormhole opened by its Thargons.

    Three times and ill go for three more later. The Thargoids haven't immediately fired so far. They assume defencive/offensive posture but do not open fire.

    My hardpoints are not deployed and I did not interfere directly with what they did.

    This is evidence to suggest they are not hostile to us, they may be indifferent. Only possession of their technology or Guardian seems to evoke a hostile response.

    There have been wrecks at all sites but I cant help but wonder did they provoke the interceptor.

    There is room for an opening of communications here somewhere
    Does anyone else agree

  4. #49
    Originally Posted by LCU No Fool Like One View Post (Source)
    Here is a fully automatic prototype. I could also get it to find the Coordinates from EDSM if that makes things easier.

    https://github.com/NoFoolLikeOne/EDMC-USS-Survey

    If you want user input then we could make it display a link to a user editable form that is pre-populated with events from the journal.
    Don't have EDMC, but if this is working, it would be very useful! Are hyperdictions also captured by this?

    Got some old code which parses the player journal files, i guess it could be modified to collect all NHSS and upload them to a spreadsheet. But updating a google spreadsheet from unity is pure pain, so i'm not very keen to do that

    I'm now updating the thargoid mapper so it will automatically get the latest data from the spreadsheets so you don't have to update/export them yourself.

  5. #50
    Originally Posted by piranha9 View Post (Source)
    Don't have EDMC, but if this is working, it would be very useful! Are hyperdictions also captured by this?

    Got some old code which parses the player journal files, i guess it could be modified to collect all NHSS and upload them to a spreadsheet. But updating a google spreadsheet from unity is pure pain, so i'm not very keen to do that

    I'm now updating the thargoid mapper so it will automatically get the latest data from the spreadsheets so you don't have to update/export them yourself.
    Its working... at least it is for me.

    I think what I might do is keep it updating my spreadheet automatically but parse the events and create a clickable link to the forms linked in the OP this will pre-populate them with the system names and threat levels etc and then the users can add additional details.

    There is no journal entry for hyperdictions but it is possible to detect when they have happened.

    What you get is a StartJump event followed by a FSD Jump event to the system you originally started in.

    So for instance I was in Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-55 and started my jump to Pleiades Sector QD-S b4-1

    {
    "timestamp": "2017-09-29T21:18:33Z",
    "event": "StartJump",
    "JumpType": "Hyperspace",
    "StarSystem": "Pleiades Sector QD-S b4-1",
    "StarClass": "L"
    }

    The next event left me where I started Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-55

    {
    "timestamp": "2017-09-29T21:18:59Z",
    "event": "FSDJump",
    "StarSystem": "Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-55",
    "StarPos": [
    -63.594,
    -147.406,
    -319.094
    ],
    "SystemAllegiance": "Independent",
    "SystemEconomy": "$economy_HighTech;",
    "SystemEconomy_Localised": "High Tech",
    "SystemGovernment": "$government_Cooperative;",
    "SystemGovernment_Localised": "Cooperative",
    "SystemSecurity": "$SYSTEM_SECURITY_medium;",
    "SystemSecurity_Localised": "Medium Security",
    "Population": 300000,
    "JumpDist": 19.226,
    "FuelUsed": 1.768394,
    "FuelLevel": 13.401606,
    "Factions": [
    {
    "Name": "Pleiades Resource Enterprise",
    "FactionState": "None",
    "Government": "Corporate",
    "Influence": 0.123876,
    "Allegiance": "Federation",
    "PendingStates": [
    {
    "State": "Lockdown",
    "Trend": 1
    },
    {
    "State": "Expansion",
    "Trend": 0
    }
    ],
    "RecoveringStates": [
    {
    "State": "Boom",
    "Trend": 1
    }
    ]
    },
    {
    "Name": "Cooper Research Associates",
    "FactionState": "None",
    "Government": "Democracy",
    "Influence": 0.076923,
    "Allegiance": "Alliance",
    "RecoveringStates": [
    {
    "State": "Boom",
    "Trend": 1
    }
    ]
    },
    {
    "Name": "I.P.S.A.L Project",
    "FactionState": "CivilWar",
    "Government": "Corporate",
    "Influence": 0.020979,
    "Allegiance": "Independent"
    },
    {
    "Name": "Pilots Federation Local Branch",
    "FactionState": "None",
    "Government": "Democracy",
    "Influence": 0.0,
    "Allegiance": "PilotsFederation"
    },
    {
    "Name": "Rational Logistics",
    "FactionState": "CivilWar",
    "Government": "Corporate",
    "Influence": 0.014985,
    "Allegiance": "Independent"
    },
    {
    "Name": "Janus Incorporated",
    "FactionState": "Boom",
    "Government": "Corporate",
    "Influence": 0.04995,
    "Allegiance": "Independent"
    },
    {
    "Name": "Aegis Research",
    "FactionState": "Boom",
    "Government": "Cooperative",
    "Influence": 0.713287,
    "Allegiance": "Independent"
    }
    ],
    "SystemFaction": "Aegis Research",
    "FactionState": "Boom",
    "EDDMapColor": -65536
    }

  6. #51
    I certainly do not mean to hijack my fellow Canonneer thread. However gents if while in your endeavors you happen upon a system named "Merope"... :-) ... Please pay attention for any non human signal sources or Thargoids.... If you find any in that system please take a screenshot..... Good luck :-)

  7. #52
    Aren't they regular occurrences there anymore?

    Originally Posted by LCU No Fool Like One View Post (Source)
    It would be very easy to write a plugin for EDMC to log all non human USS sightings to a webserver.

    EDMC provides a system and body on every event

    There is specific USSDrop event I think it is triggered when you drop out of supercruise at a USS
    { "timestamp":"2017-10-03T21:09:09Z", "event":"USSDrop", "USSType":"$USS_Type_NonHuman;", "USSType_Localised":"Non-Human signal source", "USSThreat":5 }

    All we need is a web server to log the events in a database and provide a URL with that accepts parameters eg. http://www.canonn.net/usslog?timestamp=2017-10-03T21:09:09Z&USSType=$USS_Type_NonHuman&USSType_Localised-Non-Human signal source&USSThreat-5

    Then Bob's your uncle. It would all get logged and all that commanders would need to do is identify USS and drop in on them.
    Sounds good!

    Cmdr Lucca1985
    If you xeno scan them whilst they scan you I've found they don't deploy hardpoints, if you do it afterwards they will because you've come nearer to them than 500m, they don't like that (after they've scanned you). Oh I've been in over a dozen NHSSs so far.

    As for comms with them, would be nice but I'm not aware of any way to sadly.

  8. #53
    Originally Posted by Cmdr Lucca1985 View Post (Source)

    I have then myself scanned the Thargoid (Xeno Scanner) which then causes the thargoid to deploy hardpoints. It seems as though it does so as a warning interpreting the deployment of my scanners as a potential threat, however; I move off immediately after scanning and am not followed and we go on our way. It tolerates my presence in its vicinity (the green cloud)
    I think the deployment of hardpoints when target locked and scanned is standard NPC behavior as well, so it may just be that Fdev reused that bit of logic with the Thargs. I see the territoriality aspects coming up more in their hostile reaction if you move too close to them.

  9. #54
    Anyone got any hints for gathering logograms from hyperdictions? The thargies always run away before I regain power, let alone can target them

  10. #55
    Originally Posted by kenworth View Post (Source)
    I think the deployment of hardpoints when target locked and scanned is standard NPC behavior as well, so it may just be that Fdev reused that bit of logic with the Thargs. I see the territoriality aspects coming up more in their hostile reaction if you move too close to them.
    They do scan us. Maybe they expect or accept the same from us, but no more than that.

    If this is the case it coulb be the basis of an understanding

  11. #56
    Yeah we know they scan us , why do you say that?

    Originally Posted by LCU No Fool Like One View Post (Source)
    Here is a fully automatic prototype. I could also get it to find the Coordinates from EDSM if that makes things easier.

    https://github.com/NoFoolLikeOne/EDMC-USS-Survey

    If you want user input then we could make it display a link to a user editable form that is pre-populated with events from the journal.
    Will this work with EDSM?
    Quick work anyway!

  12. #57
    Originally Posted by LCU No Fool Like One View Post (Source)
    Its working... at least it is for me.

    I think what I might do is keep it updating my spreadheet automatically but parse the events and create a clickable link to the forms linked in the OP this will pre-populate them with the system names and threat levels etc and then the users can add additional details.
    Nice! It's too bad they don't seem to have an API for Google Forms, but that sounds like a good alternative.

  13. #58
    Cross posting from the Logogram thread as it's relevant here too:

    I ran a scan over the NHSS data (did not include hyperdictions). Here's the breakdown based on the first digit of the Logogram (number in parens is sample count). Starting to look like it might not be random:

    7 (3) 3.1%
    3 (10) 10.4%
    1 (22) 22.9%
    2 (24) 25.0%
    4 (37) 38.5%

    Inner Ring is looking totally random:
    1 (30) 31.2%
    2 (31) 32.3%
    3 (35) 36.5%

    If you try and look at the combos for the outer ring the data gets too sparse, so I'll skip that. Anyway, more logograms would be good

    Edit: Changed my mind There are 19 verified Logograms, so if they were random they would each get around 5% of visits. If you multiply up the digit x number of logograms then these come in close to the values expected for random, so it's unlikely they contain any information.

  14. #59
    Originally Posted by spameroo View Post (Source)
    Nice! It's too bad they don't seem to have an API for Google Forms, but that sounds like a good alternative.
    They have an API. That's what I'm using.

    Originally Posted by Assimilator1 View Post (Source)
    Will this work with EDSM?
    I can get my code to look up the system on EDSM and get the coordinates, I have experience of doing that on other plugins.

  15. #60
    Originally Posted by LCU No Fool Like One View Post (Source)
    They have an API. That's what I'm using.
    Guess I just did a crappy job of looking for it then I've finally gotten back to the Bubble, so I'm going to install your plugin and hopefully send record of my first thargoid encounter pretty soon...

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