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Thread: Analysis of Fully Upgrading an Anaconda with the New Engineer Design

  1. #16
    Originally Posted by ExoForce View Post (Source)
    Any exact date when this new system will be implemented? In another words, how much time do I have to finish mats/data grinding?
    Seriously asking.
    It's not even in beta. Asking for an exact date is futile at this point. But I'm fairly sure that you'll have at lest the rest of this month to sort your stuff out.

  2. #17
    And to think a fully grade 5ed my combat asp in just 5 hours in the live build.. makes you wunder what all the fuss about the engeneers is about... *enter the instant gratification monkey...* oh

  3. #18
    Commencing emergency engineering of stock modules, so I can try to ignore this oncoming car crash.
    After looking at that table and then at my 17 ships. All grade 5 engineered. That took me over 18 months to complete, I am so not doing it all again from scratch at all.
    Ever.
    Nice post though OP, thanks!

  4. #19
    Originally Posted by StuartGT View Post (Source)
    Originally posted by CMDR Edward Tivrusky VI

    Reference Loadout

    Three rolls each of grades 1-4, instead of rolling grade 5 without prerequisites, requires 900 additional material quantity and 50 material types that would otherwise be unnecessary. The required firmware quantity is doubled.

    Material Grade 1 Grade 2 Grade 3 Grade 4 Grade 5 All Grades
    Total Materials 102 204 306 288 326 1226
    Distinct Materials 12 24 34 39 31 80
    Abnormal Compact Emissions Data 8 8
    Antimony 8 8
    Arsenic 4 4
    Atypical Disrupted Wake Echoes 3 3 6
    Biotech Conductors 8 8
    Cadmium 3 8 11
    Carbon 15 18 18 51
    Chemical Distillery 3 3 6
    Chemical Manipulators 3 12 15
    Chemical Processors 6 3 9
    Chromium 6 15 21
    Compound Shielding 20 20
    Conductive Ceramics 9 9 10 28
    Conductive Components 18 12 3 33
    Conductive Polymers 6 6
    Configurable Components 3 3
    Core Dynamics Composites 20 20
    Cracked Industrial Firmware 3 16 19
    Datamined Wake Exceptions 4 4
    Decoded Emission Data 6 6
    Distorted Shield Cycle Recordings 3 9 9 21
    Divergent Scan Data 3 3
    Eccentric Hyperspace Trajectories 3 3
    Electrochemical Arrays 12 12
    Exceptional Scrambled Emission Data 3 3
    Exquisite Focus Crystals 4 4
    Focus Crystals 12 18 30
    Galvanising Alloys 3 3
    Germanium 3 3 15 21
    Grid Resistors 6 6 6 18
    Heat Conduction Wiring 3 3 3 9
    Heat Dispersion Plate 6 3 9
    Heat Exchangers 6 6
    Heat Vanes 6 6
    High Density Composities 18 6 12 36
    Hybrid Capacitors 12 18 3 33
    Imperial Shielding 6 6
    Inconsistent Shield Soak Analysis 9 9
    Iron 15 15 15 45
    Irregular Emission Data 3 3
    Manganese 3 3 9 15
    Mechanical Components 6 8 14
    Mechanical Equipment 6 9 15
    Mechanical Scrap 9 6 6 21
    Mercury 3 3
    Military Supercapacitors 20 20
    Modified Comsumer Firmware 6 9 9 24
    Molybdenum 12 16 28
    Nickel 12 15 12 39
    Niobium 12 20 32
    Pharmaceutical Isolators 4 4
    Phase Alloys 3 4 7
    Phosphorus 9 6 9 24
    Polymer Capacitors 9 14 23
    Precipitated Alloys 6 6
    Proprietary Composites 18 8 26
    Proto Heat Radiators 8 8
    Proto Light Alloys 3 3
    Refined Focus Crystals 6 22 28
    Ruthenium 4 4
    Salvaged Alloys 3 6 9
    Selenium 6 6 12
    Shield Emitters 30 30 60
    Shield Sensors 15 15
    Shielding Sensors 3 3
    Specialised Legacy Firmware 6 6 3 15
    Strage Wake Solutions 3 3 6
    Sulphur 18 9 12 39
    Tagged Encryption Codes 3 3
    Technetium 12 12
    Tellurium 4 4
    Thermic Alloys 8 8
    Tin 12 12
    Tungsten 12 15 20 47
    Unexpected Emission Data 6 4 10
    Untypical Shield Scans 10 10
    Unusual Encrypted Files 3 3
    Vanadium 6 9 18 33
    Worn Shield Emitters 3 3
    Zinc 12 12
    Brilliant work, thank you, lets hope Sandy hasn't already made his mind up (which I think he may have).

  5. #20
    Bound to be a head scratcher...

  6. #21
    Mind baffling.
    I'd understand such a change from a business point of view if FD were to charge a monthly subscription...

    So how exactly is the new system going to work?
    With the old system you buy a new module, head to engineer that already has g5 unlocked, roll g5 and that's it.
    Am I right that with the new system you'd have to roll through ranks 1-5 for every new module you buy?
    The official posts don't really explain how it's supposed to work, maybe language barrier strikes again since english isn't my first language.

  7. #22
    Gotta say it does match up with the increased material storage.

  8. #23
    Originally Posted by Zebaoth View Post (Source)
    Mind baffling.
    I'd understand such a change from a business point of view if FD were to charge a monthly subscription...

    So how exactly is the new system going to work?
    With the old system you buy a new module, head to engineer that already has g5 unlocked, roll g5 and that's it.
    Am I right that with the new system you'd have to roll through ranks 1-5 for every new module you buy?
    The official posts don't really explain how it's supposed to work, maybe language barrier strikes again since english isn't my first language.
    You can start here but there are many sub-threads under this main Feedback thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...3-Delay-update

  9. #24
    Originally Posted by YinYin View Post (Source)
    Gotta say it does match up with the increased material storage.
    ...rendering it basically pointless, especially with the per mat limit set at 100.
    I can carry more than that limit now, and I don't *have to* carry all that other junk.

    I'd much rather see an overall storage increase with no per mat limit.
    What's the point in carrying 100 Classified Scan Databanks?
    Ever?
    To trade for something I can use like CIF, but now have an arbitrary limit set on how much I can carry?

  10. #25
    Originally Posted by Bob Lighthouse View Post (Source)
    ...rendering it basically pointless, especially with the per mat limit set at 100.
    I can carry more than that limit now, and I don't *have to* carry all that other junk.

    I'd much rather see an overall storage increase with no per mat limit.
    What's the point in carrying 100 Classified Scan Databanks?
    Ever?
    To trade for something I can use like CIF, but now have an arbitrary limit set on how much I can carry?
    The change can certainly be seen as a nerf for people who liked to stockpile certain materials. For the purpose of premium synthesis for example. I'm not certain if that is Frontier's intention, but it certainly will be one of the consequences.

  11. #26
    I don't like it on principal of how many rolls it requires, I don't care if I can carry the mats all at once or if I gotta get them - the idea it will take 600-900 rolls to fit ships the way I want is stupid.

  12. #27
    The only situation this might be considered acceptable is if you can also max out rank 5 of an upgrade after 3 rolls. So if you rolled 15 rolls, you were literally never able to upgrade it further. Which...I doubt will be the case, but hey, who knows.

  13. #28
    One day people will finally learn to be careful what they ask for.

  14. #29
    Originally Posted by Kee View Post (Source)
    The change can certainly be seen as a nerf for people who liked to stockpile certain materials. For the purpose of premium synthesis for example. I'm not certain if that is Frontier's intention, but it certainly will be one of the consequences.

    It also poses a confounding problem for doing consecutive, different mods; say G5 charge enhanced PD and DD5s which share CIF as a material.
    Right now I can do 100 rolls each at G5, which I could not do with a 100 CIF limit.
    Those are also mods one would conceivably be doing to the same ship.
    That's above and beyond any other such similar problems that might arise during the whole G1-5 process, for all the modules/mods that share materials.
    CIF is used in multiple levels as well, see G4 and 5 PD.

  15. #30
    Is there any reason to want full G5 rolled ship - aside "I want max ship"?

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