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Thread: An Investigation Into Frontier's Actions on Combat Logging, Part 2

  1. #46
    Originally Posted by Devari View Post (Source)
    It really wasn't "dealt with" other than having the exploit-obtained mods removed.

    No real "punishment" or other consequences. No compensation for everyone they trolled and griefed over the entire year. No reason to truly set an "example" that discourages players from taking advantage of an exploit in the future.

    FD can't "fix" combat logging because of the way the game is designed. They can't even monitor or detect it properly. It is therefore not possible to "punish" it.

    Sorry but cheaters lose all credibility and no one will take them seriously. What you're suggesting is like Lance Armstrong telling players not to use steroids. It's just not going to be taken seriously.
    All of those mods were deleted and no exploit of the sort is even possible anymore. Meanwhile, people are avoiding paying their rebuy by using methods outside the game.

  2. #47
    Originally Posted by Devari View Post (Source)
    It really wasn't "dealt with" other than having the exploit-obtained mods removed.

    No real "punishment" or other consequences. No compensation for everyone they trolled and griefed over the entire year. No reason to truly set an "example" that discourages players from taking advantage of an exploit in the future.

    FD can't "fix" combat logging because of the way the game is designed. They can't even monitor or detect it properly. It is therefore not possible to "punish" it.

    Sorry but cheaters lose all credibility and no one will take them seriously. What you're suggesting is like Lance Armstrong telling players not to use steroids. It's just not going to be taken seriously.
    I can't disagree with you as far as the actions taken. FD's response to the engineer cheats was mild to say the least. Insufficient in my opinion. But at least they addressed it.

    They should do the same with combat logging. I'm not saying to ban combat loggers. A stern warning perhaps. Maybe removing some credits from those that do it repeatedly.

    It should be dealt with.

  3. #48
    OP is SDC and therefore loses all credibility. The vast majority of them were using the engineer exploit and lost all of them when Frontier took action.
    This whole effort sounds like they're trying to "get back" at Frontier for messing with their ill-gained mods.

  4. #49
    So it's OK to clogg? Good to know cheers.

  5. #50
    Originally Posted by Powderpanic View Post (Source)
    Yes... Bet ED is so full of exploits its hard to know which one they will actually start to care about and when.

    The engineer issue was reported and ignored.. So many figured.. hey, its just like all the others ones and its fair game

    If you have EVER stacked missions by rolling modes, please leave your ivory tower and close the door on the way out.

    Using the above rolling and exploit that was 17 Draconis, I made over 5 billion by watching netflix and dumbfiring at skimmers..

    But.. I still have my money because... well... Thats ED for you
    I think thats a very good point.

    Until Frontier announce something as being a 'cheat', it is at most an exploit.

    Like instance switching to stack missions
    Like killing only 20 ships/skimmers to complete 20 missions each requiring 20 kills to exploit mission issues.
    Like the 1cr transaction exploit to exploit BGS failing
    Like taking missions to deliberately fail them to crash a BGS faction
    Like taking missions to deliberately.fail them and sell the cargo for 100% profit.

    Once Frontier address an issue, if you continue to try to utilise those exploits, you're a cheater.

    Otherwise youre just like every other player who's gamed the system to max their credit balance/faction standing/BGS outcome

  6. #51
    Originally Posted by Zenith View Post (Source)
    OP is SDC and therefore loses all credibility.

    They can't even stop their own members clogging, so they're being hypocritical and disingenuous trying to point fingers at Frontier being complicit.
    Maybe they should start by getting their own house in order before they start throwing out accusations against the game developer.
    Yep, given SDC have made noise in the past about the false reports they submitted FDEV would be daft not to ignore them.

    Originally Posted by Eent Tredison View Post (Source)
    All of those mods were deleted and no exploit of the sort is even possible anymore. Meanwhile, people are avoiding paying their rebuy by using methods outside the game.
    The cheats kept the rank, money and kills they gained with their exploited modules. Only the tool for cheating was removed.

  7. #52
    Originally Posted by Zenith View Post (Source)
    OP is SDC and therefore loses all credibility.
    It's funny though because this same post is at 200 up-votes and rising on Reddit and gaining far more traction on the larger community outside this forum.. whereas the same handful of dedicated people seem to be dismissing it on the basis of the poster in here.. interesting. I'm willing to bet this one hits games-media int the next 24 hours as well...

  8. #53
    Originally Posted by MottiKhan View Post (Source)
    I can't disagree with you as far as the actions taken. FD's response to the engineer cheats was mild to say the least. Insufficient in my opinion. But at least they addressed it.

    They should do the same with combat logging. I'm not saying to ban combat loggers. A stern warning perhaps. Maybe removing some credits from those that do it repeatedly.

    It should be dealt with.
    And I have encountered obvious instances of these exact same exploits being used AFTER this supposed punitive action!

    Plus players that were well known for using these exploits and abusing other players are still happily playing the game with a fully functional account.

    I base my opinions on "observable reality", not on what someone posts in a forum!

  9. #54
    Friendly reminder: Naming and Shaming and/or Witch Hunting individuals and groups are not permitted. The mod team has already had to clean up some of this in here.

    Thanks.

  10. #55
    I always wonder if these threads are just an attempt to bolster some KOS list...

    I can't see any other utility in them, other than to farm justification for the trademark deleterious behaviors. "If the forum people/Frontier excuse this cheating, we must RAGE and vent our spleen on Novice, exploration fit Asps." After all, it's just been shown that the control, typical target is a Novice rank explorer.

  11. #56
    Originally Posted by Mengy View Post (Source)
    The irony of this post coming from an SDC member is gold, pure gold!

    I do have a question though. I’m admittedly not very up to snuff on PvP or CL’ing as I’m a peaceful Mobius player, but couldn’t the PvP players just block people confirmed as combat loggers so that they never come across them in Open again? Peaceful players block griefers and that seems to do a decent job of it, wouldn’t the same tactic in reverse do a decent job of ensuring that player killers would never again cross paths with the cheaters?
    If you're referring to the engineers exploit, not every SDC member used the exploit, and it should be known that it was the 13th legion that publicized it after it had been repeatedly reported by SDC members privately to frontier. Many players used the exploit, and the offenders had all relevant modules removed, as well as many more legitimate modules. Some people seem to forget that part.

    Anyway, blocking is not foolproof. In fact, instancing prioritizes friends list chains over the block list, and sometimes you instance with blocked players seemingly randomly as well. But most importantly, even when the block function DOES work, you can't use it as a PvPer. Because it will lock you out of the popular instance where everyone is doing things at the CG or wherever you happen to be. A CG gets dropped, people flock over, instances populate with players, and then you come on in. All your pvp friends are in the instance, but so is your blocked clogger. When blocking DOES work, you're getting locked out of the instance with all your friends. Otherwise, you do get in, and the clogger is there anyway. Blocking is wholly a bad thing if you want to do PvP. That's why almost every pvper has a clean block list, as it provides almost no benefits but brings a whole slew of problems with your instancing abilities.

  12. #57
    Originally Posted by Zenith View Post (Source)
    OP is SDC and therefore loses all credibility. The vast majority of them were using the engineer exploit and lost all of them when Frontier took action.
    This whole effort sounds like they're trying to "get back" at Frontier for messing with their ill-gained mods.
    Most SDC members have gotten even better rolls now than during the exploit, actually. You should be rejoicing that they obtained even more powerful modules through legit means.

  13. #58
    Originally Posted by Stigbob View Post (Source)
    Yep, given SDC have made noise in the past about the false reports they submitted FDEV would be daft not to ignore them.



    The cheats kept the rank, money and kills they gained with their exploited modules. Only the tool for cheating was removed.
    God, I love the irony of your posts. Up on your pedestal about the 5-1 exploit, but so quick to dismiss FDev ignoring an exploit that has existed since launch because of the source.

    Keep being a perfect stereotype, man.

  14. #59
    Originally Posted by TiltControls View Post (Source)
    If you're referring to the engineers exploit, not every SDC member used the exploit, and it should be known that it was the 13th legion that publicized it after it had been repeatedly reported by SDC members privately to frontier. Many players used the exploit, and the offenders had all relevant modules removed, as well as many more legitimate modules. Some people seem to forget that part.

    Anyway, blocking is not foolproof. In fact, instancing prioritizes friends list chains over the block list, and sometimes you instance with blocked players seemingly randomly as well. But most importantly, even when the block function DOES work, you can't use it as a PvPer. Because it will lock you out of the popular instance where everyone is doing things at the CG or wherever you happen to be. A CG gets dropped, people flock over, instances populate with players, and then you come on in. All your pvp friends are in the instance, but so is your blocked clogger. When blocking DOES work, you're getting locked out of the instance with all your friends. Otherwise, you do get in, and the clogger is there anyway. Blocking is wholly a bad thing if you want to do PvP. That's why almost every pvper has a clean block list, as it provides almost no benefits but brings a whole slew of problems with your instancing abilities.
    Depends on who you block, I only block cheats and station griefers there's not a real PVP'er amongst them.

  15. #60
    It really is great seeing the forums freak out and lob ad-hominem attacks against a perfectly legitimate complaint.

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