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  1. #76
    Originally Posted by Allitnil View Post (Source)
    Would it be possible to convert it into a utility that we could run ourselves using the data from our local EDDiscovery databases? That way there would be no additional impact on EDSM.
    Originally Posted by Orvidius View Post (Source)
    Huh, interesting idea. I'm not sure that I can, since it's a linux script. But let me think on that. Perl can run in Windows too, and it would need to be converted to use sqlite instead of mysql, etc. Not impossible. I'll give it some thought.
    I started looking into this and ran into some problems. All of the perl libraries and tools that my scripts need do exist for Windows, but they require a lot of troubleshooting to install. I got halfway through trying to install everything, and decided that I can't expect everyone else to go through this. So I'm left with either learning .NET (or something similar) to write it more natively for Windows, or just forget the whole thing. We'll see. It probably would work best as a plugin for EDDiscovery or something. I'm not yet sure what's involved with that.

    Originally Posted by Allitnil View Post (Source)
    The higher mass code systems (eg AA-A H*) do exist in the exclusion zone, it's just that the contents of the systems has been overridden to lower mass stars. That said, it would still be interesting to see mass code distributions just in case it throws up something!
    This should be pretty straightforward. I'll have to change a part of my script that's skipping visited systems with no scanned bodies, so that I can pull all systems, and parse the mass code out of the names. I'll see what I can do.

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  3. #78
    Those are fascinating! The D one is as expected, those stars are ubiquitous. Ditto C except that they don't appear at the very edges of the galaxy. B & A are also pretty much as I would have expected other than for that great big relative hole in the centre! I'm just speculating here, but we know that there is a mass density distribution for the galaxy and this is obviously going to be much greater in the core. That means lots more of the higher mass codes and it's possible that if there were as many A & B codes as would be typical then the number of stars would be too many with stupidly small distances between them. But that's just a guess really.

    For the higher mass codes, the exclusion zone becomes ever more visible. But I'm not convinced this is down to those systems not being present in representative numbers. Might be that in part, but there is also a huge amount of cherry picking when it comes to these systems - and if the interesting aspect of the system has been suppressed then they are not going to be cherry picked. We also see the inverse of the A & B hole although the extra higher codes near the centre encompasses a larger area than the hole - which possibly invalidates my above reasoning.

    One thing I would like to check sometime is how much of the cube effect in the H map is down to the actual number of systems in the sector and how much down to CMDRs systematically visiting all of the H systems in a specific sector (which is definitely a "thing").

    Thanks for producing these and all the rest of the maps!

  4. #79
    We do (collectively) love to survey those H systems.

  5. #80
    We appear to have an aversion to Fs on the rim though... It would be weird if they're really much rarer than E, G and H out here.

  6. #81
    Originally Posted by Orvidius View Post (Source)
    I started looking into this and ran into some problems. All of the perl libraries and tools that my scripts need do exist for Windows, but they require a lot of troubleshooting to install. I got halfway through trying to install everything, and decided that I can't expect everyone else to go through this. So I'm left with either learning .NET (or something similar) to write it more natively for Windows, or just forget the whole thing. We'll see. It probably would work best as a plugin for EDDiscovery or something. I'm not yet sure what's involved with that.

    Another possibility is that I run it on my server, but have people upload journals, instead of looking at EDD or EDSM data. This has the virtue of working with my existing code, plus allowing people to easily pick date ranges if they want (by selecting which journals to upload), and not requiring people to have already used EDD or EDSM. I can envision this as queuing up requests, deleting the uploaded journals once the video is ready, and then giving a temporary download link (large files will have to be expired off the server). I'm starting to like this idea.

  7. #82
    Still investigating setting this up as a service, so nothing new to report on that yet, but the video process itself now has a zoomed-in view (10kly wide) around the bubble. As a result, it's skipping over fewer jumps, so the video length is back up a bit, but there's more to see.


  8. #83
    I love watching it - my wife thinks I am barmy

  9. #84
    I am in awe of these maps. The star forge, commander preferences, data mining, and presentation all come together here to answer all kinds of questions I had and inspire new questions. How much of the oddities visible in some of the mass code maps are down to star forge bias vs commander bias? Many exploration voyages will be shaped by questions arising from these charts. Well done and thank you!

  10. #85
    Alright, let's give this a shot! I'm considering this to very much be in a BETA state, but I have a service running to generate video travel histories.

    Right now it works by uploading all of the relevant journal/log files, of which you might have quite a few. I've been testing with my own, numbering nearly 800. I set a hard cap at 10,000 journal files (but the web browser may have a limit I don't know about), and at 600 seconds (10 minutes) worth of video. Later, I think it might be better to make an uploader that uses javascript in the web page that will scan your journals and upload only the entries that I need. But for now, this works. The journal files are stored temporarily, and eventually expire off of the server, and are not made public.

    http://elite.necrobones.com/vid/travelvideo

    If you have any feedback or bug reports, please feel free to post here or PM me.

  11. #86
    Hey, Orvidius, do you have enough information to do plots of star distribution by the age of the system? That would be very interesting!

  12. #87
    Originally Posted by Jackie Silver View Post (Source)
    Hey, Orvidius, do you have enough information to do plots of star distribution by the age of the system? That would be very interesting!
    I think so! Each star has an "age" field. Assuming the ages are well populated, I probably could do some colorizing that way. I'll have to take a closer look to be sure though.

  13. #88
    Originally Posted by Jackie Silver View Post (Source)
    Hey, Orvidius, do you have enough information to do plots of star distribution by the age of the system? That would be very interesting!
    Ta. I meant to ask this myself.

    I was wondering whether it could reveal something about how the thin and thick disks are represented. The thick disk stars are supposed to be older (>10 billion years.)

  14. #89
    Originally Posted by Orvidius View Post (Source)
    Alright, let's give this a shot! I'm considering this to very much be in a BETA state, but I have a service running to generate video travel histories.

    Right now it works by uploading all of the relevant journal/log files, of which you might have quite a few. I've been testing with my own, numbering nearly 800. I set a hard cap at 10,000 journal files (but the web browser may have a limit I don't know about), and at 600 seconds (10 minutes) worth of video. Later, I think it might be better to make an uploader that uses javascript in the web page that will scan your journals and upload only the entries that I need. But for now, this works. The journal files are stored temporarily, and eventually expire off of the server, and are not made public.

    http://elite.necrobones.com/vid/travelvideo

    If you have any feedback or bug reports, please feel free to post here or PM me.
    Oh my god ... dude ... this is frickin' awesome! I just tried it with my 2018 journal logs and it worked an absolute treat. Currently uploading a much longer travel history and will post the resulting video once it's complete. People are going to go completely nuts over this I suspect! I want to publicise it on my "Best of Forum" thread but am also aware that, if word gets out too quickly, your server might get swamped. What do you think?

  15. #90
    Originally Posted by Alec Turner View Post (Source)
    Oh my god ... dude ... this is frickin' awesome! I just tried it with my 2018 journal logs and it worked an absolute treat. Currently uploading a much longer travel history and will post the resulting video once it's complete. People are going to go completely nuts over this I suspect! I want to publicise it on my "Best of Forum" thread but am also aware that, if word gets out too quickly, your server might get swamped. What do you think?
    I'd say go ahead. I'll need some good tests of what it can manage. I can always switch it off if it gets to be too much, but right now it's set up to queue the requests and process one at a time, and it'll tell people to come back later if there are 10 jobs in the queue. So the server shouldn't fall over.

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