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Thread: Old Rolls vs New Rolls megathread

  1. #466
    Originally Posted by Truesilver View Post (Source)
    If we take a look at Mr Fruitbat's real screenied example of god-rolled drives ...

    https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...your-god-rolls

    ... +42.4% multiplier, -4.6% mass ...

    ... anyone crunched the numbers yet on how the two best Patch 2 variants now in the OP stack up against that?
    According to Sandro, the new max is either 147% with -12.5% or 140% with -2.5%. 47%ers should always be superior to bat's roll, so long as you don't hit the weight cap.

    Enhanced Drives might be aidfferent story, but 40%/-2.5% should be best outside of racer builds

  2. #467
    Originally Posted by Alexander the Grape View Post (Source)
    According to Sandro, the new max is either 147% with -12.5% or 140% with -2.5%. 47%ers should always be superior to bat's roll, so long as you don't hit the weight cap.

    Enhanced Drives might be aidfferent story, but 40%/-2.5% should be best outside of racer builds
    I currently don't have the materials to test it in the beta but coriolis gives some insight here:
    145.6% multiplier with -12.5% optimal mass - https://eddp.co/u/VSn2B3bD
    140% multiplier with -2.5% optimal mass - https://eddp.co/u/rgoXQqLm

    Here the former is superior. As far as enhanced drives go, does someone have a reference fitting for practical purposes? On a Viper with an 3A enhanced performance thruster the 40%/-2.5% always beats the other option. But as the ship mass approaches its maximum value the differences diminish.

  3. #468
    Originally Posted by Kee View Post (Source)
    I currently don't have the materials to test it in the beta but coriolis gives some insight here:
    145.6% multiplier with -12.5% optimal mass - https://eddp.co/u/VSn2B3bD
    140% multiplier with -2.5% optimal mass - https://eddp.co/u/rgoXQqLm

    Here the former is superior. As far as enhanced drives go, does someone have a reference fitting for practical purposes?
    OK, here's a 72 ton Courier. Ignore the build, which can't even power itself, but 72 ton is roughly what I won most of my meta-duels with.

    Do your worst, sir!

    https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/impe...DxtA%3D&bn=72T

  4. #469
    New Beta 2 bugged DD3 BP that I was able to stack multiplicatively about 40 times:



    Yes, those stats are real, and yes they work.

  5. #470
    Originally Posted by Truesilver View Post (Source)
    OK, here's a 72 ton Courier. Ignore the build, which can't even power itself, but 72 ton is roughly what I won most of my meta-duels with.

    Do your worst, sir!

    https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/impe...DxtA%3D&bn=72T
    140/-2.5 should be better, 787 vs 784 (assuming god-rolled bat drives)

  6. #471
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    New Beta 2 bugged DD3 BP that I was able to stack multiplicatively about 40 times:

    https://i.imgur.com/oWQCOfk.jpg

    Yes, those stats are real, and yes they work.
    Try not to die, people have been locked out.

    Also video please

  7. #472
    Also, may I recommend running a size 2 bi weave over size 3? you save 2.5 tons and get the same regen/almost the same strength, especially with new E boosters

  8. #473
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    New Beta 2 bugged DD3 BP that I was able to stack multiplicatively about 40 times:

    Yes, those stats are real, and yes they work.
    I would love to see this in action.

  9. #474
    Originally Posted by Alexander the Grape View Post (Source)
    Try not to die, people have been locked out.

    Also video please
    He went full plaid

  10. #475
    Originally Posted by Truesilver View Post (Source)
    OK, here's a 72 ton Courier. Ignore the build, which can't even power itself, but 72 ton is roughly what I won most of my meta-duels with.

    Do your worst, sir!

    https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/impe...DxtA%3D&bn=72T
    Like Alexander the Grape said, the 140%/-2.5% is better. And come to think if it, it was stupid of me to ask for a link. If you already have it, you might as well put in the numbers yourself.



    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    New Beta 2 bugged DD3 BP that I was able to stack multiplicatively about 40 times:

    https://i.imgur.com/oWQCOfk.jpg

    Yes, those stats are real, and yes they work.
    Finally a Chieftain with a proper vertical thrust .

  11. #476
    Originally Posted by Alexander the Grape View Post (Source)
    Try not to die, people have been locked out.

    Also video please
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UabxBGpz648

    That's the first vid I took, during the making of them. Will need to fast forward a bit.

    Originally Posted by Kee View Post (Source)
    Finally a Chieftain with a proper vertical thrust .
    It's almost uncontrollably high rotationals and if I use more than 40% throttle for long my CMDR blacks out and gets locked out of control of the ship.

  12. #477
    Originally Posted by Truesilver View Post (Source)
    OK, here's a 72 ton Courier. Ignore the build, which can't even power itself, but 72 ton is roughly what I won most of my meta-duels with.

    Do your worst, sir!

    https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/impe...DxtA%3D&bn=72T
    OK, couldn't stop myself crunching ... as expected in a 72 ton ship, the optimal mass is decisive.

    'Fruitbat' build using real +42.4, -4.6 drives, max speed 784:

    https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/impe...3D&bn=Fruitbat

    +40, -2.5 beats that, just, at 787:

    https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/impe...2B40%2C%20-2.5

    +45.6, -12.5 is best left for the heavyweights, at 736:

    https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/impe...5.6%2C%20-12.5

    Looks like Frontier have managed it for PvP at least, even with Enhanced Drives. (Advisory for those who haven't read earlier, these builds are not real they're just based on the 72 tons, the plant can't power the rails etc)

    Can someone link a plasie-rail lightweight 2 x SCB meta FdL build, or at least provide target weight? Cheers

  13. #478
    Originally Posted by Morbad View Post (Source)
    New Beta 2 bugged DD3 BP that I was able to stack multiplicatively about 40 times:

    https://i.imgur.com/oWQCOfk.jpg

    Yes, those stats are real, and yes they work.
    Another video request, the boost speed

  14. #479
    Originally Posted by Kee View Post (Source)
    Like Alexander the Grape said, the 140%/-2.5% is better. And come to think if it, it was stupid of me to ask for a link. If you already have it, you might as well put in the numbers yourself.
    On the contrary it was very helpful, potentially at least, because I really should have been doing something else ... cheers anyway lol I just couldn't stop myself

  15. #480
    Originally Posted by Truesilver View Post (Source)
    Can someone link a plasie-rail lightweight 2 x SCB meta FdL build, or at least provide target weight? Cheers
    I flew this for a bit https://eddp.co/u/E8qShMcW (410)

    If new max is 47/-12.5 it goes 583