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    Lead Designer- Elite: Dangerous Frontier Employee

    Powerplay Proposal

    Hello Commanders!

    As well as having a good old chew on Squadrons, we’re loading up a side order for the Focused Feedback Forum, because, frankly, we want to get more feedback! Importantly, this is an additional topic and does not replace the line-up announced earlier for Squadrons, Mining and Exploration.

    We’re considering a package of tweaks to Powerplay and we’d like your thoughts on them. Note that this is not a fait accompli, just something we’re investigating.

    The concept behind these changes is not to completely change Powerplay, but address a few important issues as efficiently and nicely as possible. Some of these changes are subtle, others very significant. The idea is that as a whole they form a rounded update that provides improvements to the core experience of Powerplay.

    As a flash topic, this will be the only thread, so all relevant replies can live in it. Please use the headings listed below with your replies to make it easier for us to process the thread, and of course, please remember the golden rule: your replies should be to us only. Feel free to debate with each other in non-sticky threads.

    What we’re looking for are your thoughts as to the ramifications of these changes based on the way you involve yourself in Powerplay, both positive and negative.

    With that in mind:

    PowerPlay Proposal

    Preparation Cycle Split


    • The first half of the cycle is available for preparation
    • The second half of the cycle locks the current preparation values and enables voting

    Vote to veto preparation

    • Each player can vote to veto or support each preparation
    • If a preparation ends the cycle with more veto votes than support votes it is removed from preparation
    • Voting requires minimum, rolling time spent pledged and active for a power, somewhere into rank 2

    Reasoning: these two changes in tandem are meant to make it easier to prevent bad systems from being prepared with minimal effort. Rather than use consolidation, which must be chosen blind in terms of both the final preparation for systems and the final resting place for the consolidation marker, here Commanders are voting on a fixed list and can choose precisely which systems they want to attempt to veto.

    Vote to withdraw from system

    • Each cycle players can vote on the 5 least profitable systems, to withdraw or support
    • At the end of a cycle if a system has more withdraw votes than support votes it is removed from the power’s control
    • Voting requires minimum, rolling time spent pledged and active for a power, somewhere into rank 2

    Reasoning: currently there is no way to lose a bad control system other than hoping or colluding with opposing powers that it will end up being forced into turmoil. We think this vote is a legible and relatively safe way of allowing powers to shed chaff, as only systems that at a base level would be unprofitable would be eligible for withdrawal.


    Profitability modifier applied to votes and preparation successes


    • A system’s base profitability modifies preparation votes, withdraw votes and preparation successes
    • Votes and successes for profitable systems are increased by a factor of 10

    Reasoning: we think this modifier acts as another barrier against internal sabotage, forcing the saboteurs to work many more times harder to get the same effect as a Commander who has the power’s interests at heart.

    Guaranteed undermine if 100% more than fortification

    • A control system that is undermined by 100% more than the fortification value will be undermined even if the fortification trigger has been successfully met

    Reasoning: We feel that Powerplay rules tend towards stagnation and status quo, which is not something we intended. Despite all the effort in the world, a power that fortifies enough, against values set by the game rather than in opposition to attack, can remain safe. This change allows sheer force of effort (or numbers) to guarantee systems end up being undermined, making deficit more likely. And to stop this happening, a power must directly compete against its enemies.

    Overhead removal and slight increase to distance cost modifier


    • Overhead upkeep costs are removed making a system’s base profitability static
    • Distance modifier to upkeep is increased to maintain some sense of expansion “gravity”

    Reasoning: Overheads are a way to prevent rampant expansion of powers. However, the cost is very high, as they cause an unavoidable amount of uncertainty when calculating CC at the cycle change, as well as just being another level of complexity. We think it would be better to remove them, increase the distance modifier to upkeep a bit, and live with powers that can expand more, as with the other changes in this package we hope that the result will be much more direct attack and dynamism caused by powers fighting each other.

    Ethos Override


    • Ethos is only checked for the control system and the power
    • If the power and controlling faction share the same superpower the power is always strong against the faction

    Reasoning: this is a fairly straight forward override to ensure that – for example – Federal powers are always strong against federal factions. The other part of this change, to focus ethos on the control system only, is to make the process legible and focus Commanders in the same place, increasing the chance of conflict.

    Missions give Powerplay successes


    • Missions for factions in a system that share a power’s superpower award a number of Powerplay successes when completed
    • The mission type determines how many successes are given
    • Successes can be applied to expansion, opposition, fortification and undermining

    Reasoning: one of the complaints of Powerplay is the limited actions available to support your power. We think that liking, in a very simple manner, missions for aligned factions and Powerplay successes allows Commanders increased variety in an efficient manner. The idea is not to replace the standard Powerplay activities, but to compliment them.

    Open only

    • Powerplay contacts are only available to players in open
    • Powerplay vouchers and commodities are destroyed if a player enters solo or private groups

    Reasoning: We’ve saved the biggest change for last, as making Powerplay Open only goes way beyond the remit of a tweak. We’ve seen this topic discussed many times and we think it’s time we addressed it directly to get as much quality feedback as possible.

    Powerplay is fundamentally about consensual player versus player conflict. We think that pretty much all of the systems and rules would benefit from being played out in Open only, as it would dramatically increase the chance of meeting other pledged players and being able to directly affect the outcomes of power struggles.

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    Originally Posted by Sandro Sammarco View Post (Source)
    Open only

    • Powerplay contacts are only available to players in open
    • Powerplay vouchers and commodities are destroyed if a player enters solo or private groups

    Reasoning: We’ve saved the biggest change for last, as making Powerplay Open only goes way beyond the remit of a tweak. We’ve seen this topic discussed many times and we think it’s time we addressed it directly to get as much quality feedback as possible.

    Powerplay is fundamentally about consensual player versus player conflict. We think that pretty much all of the systems and rules would benefit from being played out in Open only, as it would dramatically increase the chance of meeting other pledged players and being able to directly affect the outcomes of power struggles.
    Not totally unexpected - even if it goes much further than your previous musings....

    I doubt that it will be long before demands are made to do the same to the BGS, Factions, CGs, etc. as well - as the precedent of removing access to existing pan-modal content from Solo and Private Groups will have been set.

  3. #3
    Great proposal!

    And like Robert above me said, making BGS open-only will probably be requested heavily as well, but I think this is a great step in the right direction.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Sandro Sammarco View Post (Source)

    Open only

    • Powerplay contacts are only available to players in open
    • Powerplay vouchers and commodities are destroyed if a player enters solo or private groups

    Reasoning: We’ve saved the biggest change for last, as making Powerplay Open only goes way beyond the remit of a tweak. We’ve seen this topic discussed many times and we think it’s time we addressed it directly to get as much quality feedback as possible.

    Powerplay is fundamentally about consensual player versus player conflict. We think that pretty much all of the systems and rules would benefit from being played out in Open only, as it would dramatically increase the chance of meeting other pledged players and being able to directly affect the outcomes of power struggles.
    And thus begins the slippery slope.

    Presumably you'll be offering complete refunds to those players who feel that you are abandoning the "all modes are equal" ethos which has pervaded the game right from its inception.

    Regards

  5. #5
    The proposed changes are amazing. Open only is a bold but needed move for powerplay.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Sandro Sammarco View Post (Source)

    Missions give Powerplay successes


    • Missions for factions in a system that share a power’s superpower award a number of Powerplay successes when completed
    • The mission type determines how many successes are given
    • Successes can be applied to expansion, opposition, fortification and undermining

    Reasoning: one of the complaints of Powerplay is the limited actions available to support your power. We think that liking, in a very simple manner, missions for aligned factions and Powerplay successes allows Commanders increased variety in an efficient manner. The idea is not to replace the standard Powerplay activities, but to compliment them.

    Open only

    • Powerplay contacts are only available to players in open
    • Powerplay vouchers and commodities are destroyed if a player enters solo or private groups

    Reasoning: We’ve saved the biggest change for last, as making Powerplay Open only goes way beyond the remit of a tweak. We’ve seen this topic discussed many times and we think it’s time we addressed it directly to get as much quality feedback as possible.

    Powerplay is fundamentally about consensual player versus player conflict. We think that pretty much all of the systems and rules would benefit from being played out in Open only, as it would dramatically increase the chance of meeting other pledged players and being able to directly affect the outcomes of power struggles.
    Okay, I couldn't care less about the rest of it, not having done PP in ages, but this? This is pretty awesome. And much as I am pretty much a solo/Mobius only player, I do agree with the Open-only restriction. Powerplay is basically a PvP generator at heart, it's supposed to be Elite's answer to nullsec play (or Realm vs Realm), so making it open-only means players have to interact with each other. It also nicely sidesteps the grind vs grind issue by making it possible to always engage hostile power players and counteract them directly. That said, if this does go through I would suggest either greatly reducing points thresholds for rewards of changing the reward system to a non-decaying one and working out another way to distribute power salaries. The risk-to-reward ratio would simply be tilted towards risk too much for it to be worth a player's time in terms of credit rewards. Oh, and speaking of those, can we make material PP rewards a thing? Just throwing it out there, but that'd be pretty cool. Maybe a weekly reward choice of high-end materials scaling with rank, a bit like credit rewards now crossed with the reward choice system missions get?

  7. #7
    Open only?

    ALL. MY. YES.

  8. #8
    I don't really know Powerplay, so no comments from me - however the new Open only policy is a bold move from Frontier (and a one I like). It kind of makes sense, considering Poweplay is supposed to be PVP focused feature.

    Well done, FDEV - very bold. I like it!

  9. #9
    With open only you will see quite a few people drop power play completely. I certainly will. That's all my feedback. No point adding more thought into a feature I will never use.

  10. #10
    This all sounds absolutely excellent, the open only mechanic sounds like it would work and is so so welcome to hear. Incredibly frustrating losing preps and expansions and never seeing an enemy commander. Please, please, please follow through on this!

  11. #11
    Unfortunately, I am busy at the moment to fully read it and give feedback on each of those aspects, but so far I agree with everything, especially the third and the last one.

    I can add to that: please consider moving PP reward modules to tech brokers' inventory and replacing it with something non-persistant after defection.

    Otherwise, players have to simply wait for a whooping year before starting to play it seriously. Rewards which would replace the modules can have time pledged basis as well, increasing within the same period of time.




    Best birthday present so far!

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Sandro Sammarco View Post (Source)
    Missions give Powerplay successes

    • Missions for factions in a system that share a power’s superpower award a number of Powerplay successes when completed
    While I fully expect 90% of the responses to be about the 'open only' bomb, the missions addition is the biggest change for me.
    This could give me the reason to actually get back into PP again.
    Nice move.

  13. #13
    PP only open is a good idea.
    Have a thought to BGS in the same way.
    All players interactions need to be in open.

  14. #14
    As a leader of Lavigny's Legion and a representative of the Arissa Lavigny-Duval PowerPlay Community, I fully support this! (Open-Only, especially!)


    Edit: Just a suggestion, but is it possible for players to choose a bonus when they reach a certain rank in PowerPlay? The bonuses for LYR and Archon might be exclusive though in terms of lore.

  15. #15
    Lovely..

    Open only should have bin done ages ago.

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