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Thread: Amazon Chief Jeff Bezos Targets Moon For Blue Origin Lunar Colony By 2023

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    Originally Posted by Shadowdancer View Post (Source)
    This is not a problem of vision or motivation, spaceflight has seen a lot of those.
    I completely agree with this. Outside of the robotic probes, NASA has not had a defined mission since Apollo and therefore most of its efforts haven't led to tangible advances in space colonisation. I'm not even sure that any politician alive today would have the gumption to give the kind of directive that Kennedy gave to NASA in 61.

    Originally Posted by Shadowdancer View Post (Source)
    When one starts talking about colonisation, they better start talking about how they're gonna do it, because shooting something there is only the first step (if Elon has proven anything, it's that he can't hit Mars, it's all the dumb and slow conservative space programmes that have shown that they're able to). Once you can do that, you have to have something that lets them sustainably survive there.
    As far as I recall Elon wasn't trying to hit Mars, or he would have designed a spacecraft with its own guidance and correction capabilities and the upper stage and roadster didn't have those. I also agree that colonisation is going to be more about dirty engineering and not this current vision portrayed in the media of gleaming white space domes on the surface of Mars. It more likely to be Bladerunner/Alien than Star Trek with lots of dirt, discomfort and danger. Typical early activities will likely be dominated by mining, refining of ores and volatiles, smelting, forming and building stuff, as well as farming and power generation. Or another analogy might be that the first colony will be more like a deep sea oil extraction site, rather than Antarctic research station. Perhaps you can help me understand why the entity that builds the transport mechanism, also has to provide the entire civil infrastructure and associated eco-system at the other end? Surely that's the job of the people going?

    Originally Posted by Shadowdancer View Post (Source)

    All those explorers on Earth went under the assumption that they'd find more of Earth, possibly better than where they left, which was maybe sometimes a shaky assumption, but in the era of Magellan and Columbus, it was a fair estimate that wherever they went, they'd be able to survive. Today, we know for a fact that this is not the case anywhere else in the solar system. Everywhere but this infinitely thin layer of Earth is utterly hostile to humans, and we have nothing in our repertoire that would allow us to survive outside, indefinitely, in any kind of comfort, or with any kind of purpose but to show that we can send people out to die alone and useless.
    Agree. The risks of not surviving on the Moon or Mars are far greater than in a new land on earth, but all the raw materials appear to be on both celestial bodies for survival, apart from biomass, we just have to work out how to utilise them. The biomass is us and what we bring with us and once that has a foothold DNA has proven remarkably resilient and adaptable :-)

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    Billionaire's hotel, casino and 24hr nightclub.

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