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    Where is TXS 0506+056?

    "ED has a vast 1:1 scale simulation of the Milky Way galaxy based on real scientific principles, current scientific data and theories. It includes around 400 billion star systems."
    But its still just a tiny little part of the entire universe, I realised once again...

    Today I read, an international team of scientists has found the first evidence of a source of high-energy cosmic neutrinos, ghostly subatomic particles that can travel unhindered for billions of light years from the most extreme environments in the universe to Earth.

    https://icecube.wisc.edu/news/view/586


    It came from TXS 0506+056 - a super massive black hole, around 4.5bill Ly far
    To far to be in ED

    We need an update and a bigger map )

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    We need to be able to do some sort of amazing hyper-mega-supercharge from supermassive black holes, that can send us to other galaxies.

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    Originally Posted by Orvidius View Post (Source)
    We need to be able to do some sort of amazing hyper-mega-supercharge from supermassive black holes, that can send us to other galaxies.
    Well..... if they add in misjumps into the game, or the ability to use Thargoid jump drives we could! Don't think the RPers would like misjumps though as their Iron Man game would come to an end.

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    Dunno if you have seen "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey", but when I saw there the map of the current known universe we know, I was stunned. It looks so different to all I’ve seen before about the cosmos. Our milki way is just a fart in the air and still so big.

    (Iron man game play should end at any time

    PS: Also impressive the fact that the universe we can see is limited by the light speed and the age of the universe. Nothing is faster than light speed and cause of that we will never be able to see all in our life time.

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    Originally Posted by Neokortex View Post (Source)
    Nothing is faster than light speed ...
    Here's an interesting BBC documentary on that:

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    Originally Posted by Redfox View Post (Source)
    Here's an interesting BBC documentary on that:
    Yes, same with Quantums who seems to be fast than light. But is it like this or do they just not "travel"?

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    Oh yes, I remember that one. That video is outdated, and really should come with a comment: the faster-than-light travel was proven as a measurement error. Basically, a clock's oscillator was going too fast, and there was a faulty optic cable as well. In such a complex project, despite lots of care being taken, some things can still go wrong. After all, it took something like half a year to find the causes.

    Originally Posted by Orvidius View Post (Source)
    We need to be able to do some sort of amazing hyper-mega-supercharge from supermassive black holes, that can send us to other galaxies.
    Hm, now that you mention it, it would also be fun if we could do a boosted jump from it to anywhere in our galaxy. One-way, of course.

    Originally Posted by Neokortex View Post (Source)
    Yes, same with Quantums who seems to be fast than light. But is it like this or do they just not "travel"?
    Are you thinking of quantum entanglement perhaps? If so, then the quanta don't travel, and the phenomenon can't be used to transmit information either. Basically, think of it as two quanta kept entangled into a single system despite being far away from each other, which two observers can view - but they can't tell if the system changed because the person on the other end did something to it (to transmit information) or if it was just random fluctuation.

    As it stands, faster-than-light travel would conflict with models we have plenty of evidence for, and would even violate the principle of causality. Add to this that we don't have any observational evidence of FTL. The proposed theories of what could be done for travel pretty much all get around this by messing with spacetime, or in an even more sci-fi realm, just going outside of it entirely.
    By the way, Elite's frame-shift drive operates on the former principle, while hyperdrives and witchspace operate on the latter.

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    Originally Posted by Orvidius View Post (Source)
    We need to be able to do some sort of amazing hyper-mega-supercharge from supermassive black holes, that can send us to other galaxies.

    Worm holes

    black holes should spit you out at another random black hole.... this galaxy or the next

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    Originally Posted by marx View Post (Source)
    Oh yes, I remember that one. That video is outdated, and really should come with a comment: the faster-than-light travel was proven as a measurement error. Basically, a clock's oscillator was going too fast, and there was a faulty optic cable as well. In such a complex project, despite lots of care being taken, some things can still go wrong. After all, it took something like half a year to find the causes.
    Nice, thanks for the info - need to look that up

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    Originally Posted by Redfox View Post (Source)
    Here's an interesting BBC documentary on that:
    Originally Posted by Neokortex View Post (Source)
    Yes, same with Quantums who seems to be fast than light. But is it like this or do they just not "travel"?
    That was a failed experiement, we today know that neutrinos experience time since they change between their three states which means they must be travelling below the speed of light (special relativity in action) which means they must have mass, albeit, very little.

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    No, it wasn't a failed experiment, because their goal was to detect tau neutrinos, produced via oscillation from muon neutrinos. For that, it worked well. The faster-than-light anomaly that made it somewhat (in)famous was just an unintended avenue of investigation.

    By the way, an excellent example for such would be the Michelson-Morley experiment. Technically, that was a failure as well, as their goal was to measure the aether wind, via the speed of light changing in perpendicular directions. (This was several decades before a guy named Einstein came forward with his theories. At the time, theories for light-bearing aether were prevalent.) For setting up the experiment, the two invented interferometers, which are extremely useful experimental tools, owing to their excellent sensitivity.
    So, they failed in their original goal, but not only did they provide strong evidence for the aether theory being wrong, but even more importantly, they founded a family of techniques that became widely used in many fields.

    Had the OPERA anomaly actually turned out to be true, and some neutrinos would have exceeded the speed of light by even a tiny bit, then it would have become far more famous for its "by-product" as well, rather than for the original goal itself.