Patch Notes Update 1.4.01 update

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dementia

dementia
I honestly think it is a huge mistake to be concentrating on 1.5 and Horizons when there are so many problems with 1.4 that are affecting players right now. I personally wouldn't care if 1.5 and Horizons were a month or more late if it meant that the problems in 1.4 were given serious attention. Otherwise it is a house of cards. You'll have new capabilities built on unstable foundations and will only cause greater pain and misery for the users down the line. Now even if they are being given attention but are slated for 1.5 then this is not a good strategy either. Not only are you making your players suffer for longer but you are also making the testing phase and associated scope much much larger. In the software triangle of doom, personally I'd be choosing TIME and QUALITY at the expense of FEATURES. Much better to have frequent, small and quality updates than infrequent, large and potentially problem ridden updates.

I've been working in the software development industry for over 20 years, I've seen all these mistakes played out time and time again and the end result is always the same.

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mister ron said:
small things maybe, any chance of repairing the starport air-lock orientation lights, i'm making a lot of people scream because i'm lazily scraping them as i enter/exit... this may be mac specific and i realise FD aren't that interested in keeping development going for mac but it's got to be as simple as pushing a button somewhere... or maybe i need to do that?
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Who says FD are not interested in keeping the mac support going?
 
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AnnuverScotinExile

AnnuverScotinExile
Kerrash said:
I think you are missing the bigger picture and misunderstanding the whole point of iterative development, let me explain.
The team are working on multiple branches or versions of the game concurrently.
When released the current version is effectively in 'maintenance mode' rather than active development.

Case in point, people have raised a few issues regarding planet rendering e.g. stutter and flickering.
If 1.5 introduces a whole new way of rendering the planets, it makes little sense to pour a lot of time and resource patching the current branch; when a fix is already inbound in the next version.

There is no malicious intent, FD are merely being cost effective with their available resource.
I hope that helps explain the method.
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I can assure you that the last thing I am missing is the big picture. And as a product manager for most of my working life, I do understand the development process, thank you.

It all comes down to priorities. I think FD have got them almost completely wrong. Feel free to disagree.
 

Metalstardust

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dementia said:
I honestly think it is a huge mistake to be concentrating on 1.5 and Horizons when there are so many problems with 1.4 that are affecting players right now. I personally wouldn't care if 1.5 and Horizons were a month or more late if it meant that the problems in 1.4 were given serious attention. Otherwise it is a house of cards. You'll have new capabilities built on unstable foundations and will only cause greater pain and misery for the users down the line.

I've been working in the software development industry for over 20 years, I've seen all these mistakes played out time and time again and the end result is always the same.
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Agree I said this earlier. If you keep working on the next big thing without fixing what you have, you will just keep increasing the overall bug count. The next version is the previous one with even more bugs. If you are short on resource delay 1.5 and 2.0 and fix 1.4 first. Sorry FD but your priorities are wrong.
 
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doubleDizz

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I've just followed the new link that appeared on the ED Launcher to update my client. It downloaded a new ED Launcher...

I only just recently bought the steam version; my client and the ED Launcher is located on my 2nd drive - D:\games\steam\steamapps\elite dangerous\. The new ED Launcher I just downloaded to update the game is now saying ED will launch to the following folder: C:\Program Files (x86)\Frontier\EDLaunch\, and that if I install here the game client will be installed in my windows user \appdata\ folder. Also, if I choose another location, it's telling me the game will be installed in the sub-directory of the new location I choose.

EG:
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Neither of these options work for me. I already have a game client in my steamapps folder?!?

What the heck do I do to update my game without downloading an entirely new instance?
 

AnnuverScotinExile

AnnuverScotinExile
conrad1878 said:
horizons live will not be in-till the new year beta will be xmas time they have been saying this since it was first announced
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Source? I have never seen FD say such a thing even once, and certainly not repeatedly. All we have seen is 'holidays'. If, for the time being, we ignore the horrible Americanism and focus on what that means, it means 'sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas'. Just like a 4 year old will not accept a stocking on Jan 3rd (yes, yes, I know that in some countries ...), players do not think that 'holidays' means 'in the new year'.

I think it may well be rushed. Based on FDs previous, it may well be more buggy and more content free that we expect, but as a marketing lead company, I do not see them missing Christmas, unless there is a spectacular problem. 'All hands on deck' may well already be in place, other than the minimum they can get away with on support.
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
I'd like some of the more annoying bugs fixed. But I'd also like to see the game progress. It's absolutely non-trivial to enact both at the same time - to any huge degree.

Horizons is a pretty massive update. If any number of the bugs are already being fixed for that release (and just because it's new content, doesn't mean it won't also include fixes) then that's actually better than fixing it now, only to potentially have it revert down the track.

Because things that were fixed never not suddenly become unfixed. Right?

Just a thought.

Though the spinning and asteroid stroking NPCs are a bit funny. :)
 
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Shar

Shar
If they leave that 10cr repair problem for months ill go insane, its already got my ocd twitching, simple problem in your face just embarrassing not to fix that immediately.
 

davedf

davedf
Metalstardust said:
Agree I said this earlier. If you keep working on the next big thing without fixing what you have, you will just keep increasing the overall bug count. The next version is the previous one with even more bugs. If you are short on resource delay 1.5 and 2.0 and fix 1.4 first. Sorry FD but your priorities are wrong.
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Since Frontier decided to fund the game via sales of the game and DLCs/Seasons (as opposed to subscription), they are reliant on new features to generate revenue. Keeping people who have already purchased the game has some importance, but is lower priority - especially during the run up to the release of a new revenue generating product such as Horizons.

The financing model is also why 1.4 was buggy - for marketing reasons the XBOX version could not be released after the PC version. It could not be released before since we share the same background sim and the XBOX release was publicised at E3. The only option left was to push out the release before it was ready.

I'm not defending this decision, though I don't expect things to change unless the financing model changes.
 

Metalstardust

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Shar said:
If they leave that 10cr repair problem for months ill go insane, its already got my ocd twitching, simple problem in your face just embarrassing not to fix that immediately.
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I found a fix. Only fly to stations that do not have a repair facility. I am going to do that until they fix in 1.5.
 

Jacob Marshall

Jacob Marshall
Kerrash said:
I think you are missing the bigger picture and misunderstanding the whole point of iterative development, let me explain.
The team are working on multiple branches or versions of the game concurrently.
When released the current version is effectively in 'maintenance mode' rather than active development.

Case in point, people have raised a few issues regarding planet rendering e.g. stutter and flickering.
If 1.5 introduces a whole new way of rendering the planets, it makes little sense to pour a lot of time and resource patching the current branch; when a fix is already inbound in the next version.

There is no malicious intent, FD are merely being cost effective with their available resource.
I hope that helps explain the method.
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=193651&p=2982203&viewfull=1#post2982203

No, players don't always have to see the bigger picture; players simply want to play the game. this is akin to "the game has a 10-year' Development plan; meaning what exactly? For the next nine-years players have to 'see the bigger picture'? That we'll have to wait 10-years before frustration with 'the bigger picture' becomes valid?

The Devs are big boys and girls now, any chance they can answer for themselves?

Going to move this post as well?
 
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