I find it incredible that FDev are intending to further undermine peoples immersion.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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I find it incredible that FDev are intending to further undermine peoples immersion.
But that's been the direction of travel since day one...
Absolutely agreed. The threat of instant transfer is so ominous and abhorrent that we are simply overlooking the other huge letdown in the 2.2 presentation.
For me slfs (as they have come to be known) should work exactly like srvs are working now. Buy at station, you lose them, you buy them again. Why do they have to dumb down things when there's no need is beyond me.
Have we even given a thought to how this will affect combat, even against npcs? If some people think that it's difficult now, wait until high ranked npcs can deploy a long succession of small fighters. Not the same when you know that there's a limit of 3 or 4.
But here I'm talking about something I lack info about
I call it caving to the casuals who prefer arcade like features with the bare minimum of realism involved.
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i think the problem comes with distant worlds outside the bubble, So Jaques and (then much closer) Merope and the like
the whole transport thing full stop, regardless of time, removes any sense of achievement for actually getting a less than ideal for long travel specced vessel anywhere...... So, my hope is even if FD implement it as currently planned, they put a limit on it, so if you try to get your T9 over to Jaques, the response is "Sorry CMDR we have no couriers who are prepared to travel out that far you are going to have to collect at your leisure".
but From Sol to Lave.... Sure, not such a problem!.
perhaps this is the compromise which will be found?
yes
cost over distance.
We got autofabricators in game.
Ship-yards aren't omnipotent 3D printers, they can only develop certain ships over time and with the right materials and licnced blue-prints.
Are you a licenced Falcon-Delacy outlet?
Ship modules, gets iffy.
if there is a facilty to fabricate a new, (i.e. the local shop has them in storage) fine, instant transfer from the ones in stock.
as for Engineered or there is no available overstock.
you wait.
As you should wait for your ship.
Maybe there is a super carrier that is effectively the jump engines of a Occelus, with a ship hanger attached, and can leap large distances (like jacques) around the bubble for a fee.
cost over distance.
We got autofabricators in game.
Ship-yards aren't omnipotent 3D printers, they can only develop certain ships over time and with the right materials and licnced blue-prints.
Are you a licenced Falcon-Delacy outlet?
Ship modules, gets iffy.
if there is a facilty to fabricate a new, (i.e. the local shop has them in storage) fine, instant transfer from the ones in stock.
as for Engineered or there is no available overstock.
you wait.
As you should wait for your ship.
Maybe there is a super carrier that is effectively the jump engines of a Occelus, with a ship hanger attached, and can leap large distances (like jacques) around the bubble for a fee.
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However I've seen threads in these forums telling how much fun is fighting in an eagle. And that's an affordable ship for anyone
I can understand that and I think it's reasonable for Jaques to be a special case and ship transport to be unavailable there. I'm assuming that it's not going to be a service available at every station anyway, like all the other services.
On the forum, yes. But if you look at the results from the poll linked on reddit the the favour is entirely in the other direction....
Sources: http://www. .me/11043565
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...poll_what_does_the_community_think_about_the/
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Don't you think you've had enough concessions then?
Same here.
Either make it right by imposing limitations or don't implement it at all.
Fdev seems to be listening, but only with one ear not thinking too hard on what they heard but just sticking the input in the game as easily as possible.
This is the most immersive, serious, (first and only) mmo I care to play. But some changes, including this impending one is just making this game less so.
Please Fdev. Kerp ED as ED and not another casual, senseless mmo.
Yup. When over 75% of your polled player base thinks there should at least be *some* kind of delay, it may be time to rethink how you plan to implement this new mechanic.
I have absolutely no idea why SLFs don't work like SRVs. It's honestly beyond me.
FDev never cease to amaze me. They can be both marvelously brilliant and mind crushingly dense at the same time. The game is developed by a group of very smart people with a passion for science, but they really need to get a few very capable game designers on board. Hell, even just having someone at the Frontier office watch Extra Credits and take notes would be a huge help.
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God, I bloody hope so Mike, to be honest what with Sandy stomping all over the science and lore in his cowboy boots and laughing about it, followed by the instant gratification crowd going 'yay, lol', a severe sense of woe is setting in....
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Feeling vs Gameplay
So I have been reading the arguments for and against the instant teleportation ship transfer and it basically boils down to feelings vs gameplay. By game play, I mean the technical aspect of how you accomplish a task.
Instant transport improves an individual’s options when playing. It just does. They have more options available and they can just sit down and use the ship they want in that play session to do what they want (assuming they have the money). Just accept this as fact, it improves game play. There is not one argument on this thread that I have read that actually gives a good game play reason why this is bad.
Instant transport however feels wrong. Feeling is very subjective and for a lot of people their feelings about a game affect their gameplay. I think the reason there is a lot of misunderstanding of arguments in this thread is that people are using feeling arguments to counter technical arguments and vice versa.
So then it comes down to what more important? Feelings or gameplay? In my opinion, in a massive games like this, with no end, “feeling” trumps gameplay. For people to play and dump money into this game with no end, so it can be improved, they need to feel that things make sense. Game play is important, don’t get me wrong, but this is primarily a vast galactic spanning simulator and the feeling of the game needs to be maintained.
So Mr. Lead designer, when looking at game play mechanics ask yourself “does this feel right?” stop looking at it on its technical merits. Believe me, I understand, this is a good decision based up on the technical merits of the change, however it feels all wrong for the game.
So I have been reading the arguments for and against the instant teleportation ship transfer and it basically boils down to feelings vs gameplay. By game play, I mean the technical aspect of how you accomplish a task.
Instant transport improves an individual’s options when playing. It just does. They have more options available and they can just sit down and use the ship they want in that play session to do what they want (assuming they have the money). Just accept this as fact, it improves game play. There is not one argument on this thread that I have read that actually gives a good game play reason why this is bad.
Instant transport however feels wrong. Feeling is very subjective and for a lot of people their feelings about a game affect their gameplay. I think the reason there is a lot of misunderstanding of arguments in this thread is that people are using feeling arguments to counter technical arguments and vice versa.
So then it comes down to what more important? Feelings or gameplay? In my opinion, in a massive games like this, with no end, “feeling” trumps gameplay. For people to play and dump money into this game with no end, so it can be improved, they need to feel that things make sense. Game play is important, don’t get me wrong, but this is primarily a vast galactic spanning simulator and the feeling of the game needs to be maintained.
So Mr. Lead designer, when looking at game play mechanics ask yourself “does this feel right?” stop looking at it on its technical merits. Believe me, I understand, this is a good decision based up on the technical merits of the change, however it feels all wrong for the game.
We have been over that 300 pages ago that poll is a loaded question with a predictable outcome it is flawed and disingenuous it does not separate relocation from instant, it is useless in the context of this debate.
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Not that any of us are professional pollsters, but this poll seems a bit reductionist compared to the Forum poll with regards to the options presented to the participants...
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I'm just being realistic about the game Frontier are making. I railed against it for long enough, then I realised that the game I wanted ED to be wasn't, and would never be, the game Frontier were making. Its a space MMO (all be it one with some funny networking, solo mode and a few other oddities). The very first thing they added after launching the game were "community goals" for goodness sake.
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Yeah, but then that's true of all forum polls.
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