2.3 dev update feedback mega thread
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Sterling MH
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Well, your ship won't have budged for a start. You're not there. The energy is going to keeping a micro wormhole open in your P2P teleporter that sent you to the TP ready seat in your friends ship.
Or you could tell your friend to stuff off and keep in your own ship.
Your choice.
I think you've missed the core of what I was getting at, which is that where it is possible, content should be available for all modes. In order to make it possible, all that would be required is to allow NPC crew the ability to fill those roles. I doubt I have to elaborate on the wide desirability of that as a feature. You also continue to ignore my other point as to players in different regions not having quality access to this feature.
Your examples are excellent, however.
CQC should have the ability to be filled with NPCs so people can have matches. The low popularity of it and hence the difficulty in finding a match speaks volumes. BTW I like CQC.
Wings are another great example. Our interactions with NPCs are extremely limited. One should be able to wing up with allied faction NPCs.
Not sure what you mean by my "actual beef" being a "long silence". Certainly that is not extrapolated from anything I've written.
Finally, it's fine that we disagree. That's partly what the forums are here for, but try and address the points you are responding to directly and we can have a more constructive discussion.
While I know you are being sarcastic here.... I have actually read comments from some of the "Immersion Breaking.... WHAAAAA!" crowd that is dead serious in their sudden inability to play the game because of the MC instant transfer thing! [rolleyes]
Seriously? I mean.... SERIOUSLY?
What is it with those people anyway? The game is designed in such a way that as long as someone doesn't actually engage in the MC aspects directly, there is absolutely NOTHING in these additions that is going to alter someone's immersion and gameplay experience.
To suggest that it will, falls into that nether region of abnormal human behavior also known as a psychosis.
Really...then why do we even fly our own ships. All I want is a reasonable, consistent, in that it fits in with how the game currently works idea.
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Sterling MH
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And Multi Crew, being for multiple players in teh same game mode, is not possible in Solo. So "where it is possible" is not the case.
Job done.
I don't think you know what "where it is possible" means.
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It's not telepresence.
Said this a while ago, that Frontier should go with insta-multicrew but they should NOT try to explain it, don't add anything lore related because none of it will hold.
My feeling was that the vast majority of players would be fine with an instant mechanic, just as they accept when they die they insta-respawn up to 60,000LY away without an explanation.
But as soon as Frontier try to explain or rationalise it it's not gonna work, suddenly there will be holes to pick and "immershun" will then genuinely be broken for those that care perhaps a bit too much about it, simply because Frontier will be telling them it does make sense.
It's just a game mechanic, I honestly feel that's the best way to look at it, a compromise that's needed to make the feature actually work.
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Networking code in the game you're playing.
I'm with you. It's not that I am opposed to letting people instantly spawn into another person's ship. I just wish that the multicrew mechanics were rich enough that hypothetically getting everyone to the same dock would be worth it. As it stands, they *must* provide instant transfer, because the experience on offer here is not compelling enough for anyone to take the trouble to meet up at a specified location and physically board another person's ship. What should have been a revolution in how we approach gameplay in Elite (moving the focus from individual Ships to individual Player-Characters as the primary unit of importance and persistence), has instead turned out to be a cute little diversion of no real significance. It's the kind of thing that frankly doesn't even warrant a second account and would work better as a "plug in controller #2!" side-by-side couch coop style of play.
Have you heard the story about the cannibal who passed his friend in the woods?
Sterling MH
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They didn't. They called it "telepresence like" but that's only from a game mechanisation point of view, not a lore or in-game view.
And what happened is that either people demanded an explanation ("none" is not one they accept) or they asserted one among themselves then griped about it not working.
What happens if someone accidentally disconnects and needs to rejoin?
Sterling MH
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I think you should have to dock. Let FD know your game commander name and they can code you in so you can't get on unless you're in the same station. Everyone wins, then.
So far, if you play in Solo you get all of the benefits with none of the drawbacks. You can do hauling CGs with no shields fitted, comfortable in the fact that you can easily out-interdict or out-boost any NPC. You can hang around in HazRes and HiCZ areas content in the knowledge that you know how the AI will react and you'll never have to worry about getting inconveniently jumped when you're on your way out with low hull or ammo. You literally have opted out of the social aspect of the game. If you want to opt back into the social aspect in order to take advantage of social features, then get on an Ediscord! Join someone's private group! Nobody's forcing you to jump straight into Open to find someone to play with.
The fact that some people have internet issues should not mean that every developer develops their MMO with the idea of solo play first and foremost. Should FDev also start implementing chatbots in local chat for every system for solo players as well?
What I am sugesting is that it is both possible and desirable to simultaneously implement more interactions with NPCs alongside the player interactions. I am not against what's coming, but I think it should come alongside more interactions with NPCs.
On a side note, I only Play in open and have a large number of in game "friends" who I regularly wing up and otherwise interact with, both directly and on a few Discords. I only mention this to give some perspective as to where I'm coming from.
Will Non-Horizons players have access to being part of a multi-crew? I don't mean the captain, because everyone wants to captain, but I have a few non-horizons friends who have simply fallen away from Elite/haven't gotten very far, so I take that as my example.
My thought is that if I can get these friends to join in my multi-crew, who again do not have Horizons, it would expand the total amount of available players for crewing a ship while also getting the friends who do not have Horizons to consider buying it so they too can captain a multi-crewed vessel. It seems like a win-win to me for Frontier and all players.
My thought is that if I can get these friends to join in my multi-crew, who again do not have Horizons, it would expand the total amount of available players for crewing a ship while also getting the friends who do not have Horizons to consider buying it so they too can captain a multi-crewed vessel. It seems like a win-win to me for Frontier and all players.
So my ship has not moved?
I am not on my ship?
And there is a wormhole between my pilots seat (where I am not?) and my friends ship (where he is or not?)
Multicrew could have made me and my friends come back to play
At least for a while. But not like this.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In regards of instant commander trasnportation (teleportation) I think its ok. We have a massive map and the jumping is really boring and dull so its nice to have this.
But as I said I wish they expand the ammount of roles to more complex gameplay and support and feel we're crew of a BIG ship (the tiny ships are big they say). There are a lot of thinks that can be done out of combat, its just a matter of making them fun and thats the job of FD right? I think its not difficult with all the sci fi books and movies or maybe watching how Star Citizen is going to do it (hint hint)
for the sounds of it looks like the gunner is going to play as an old arcade game were you needed to shoot stuff on the screen, I don't see how it can be fun... And for small ships you need to sacrifice a lot of hardpoints to have turrets.
And the SLF nothing new, you still need a ship with SLF capable, meh.
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