2019: No Mediums Please
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As do I. I'll love to see a new class of huge ships, with the Clipper leading the charge.
For the record, 39.4% of the Elite Dangerous fleet is medium-sized.
If small pad only gameplay were to become a thing the solution to the T6 issue is either reduce it's height or increase the height of the pad by the half metre or so to make the T6 a small pad ship.
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Bell Curve only makes sense as long as you think that ship development is random. So indeed, if ship designers wake up after a long night of booze and roll some dices to determine which size of ship to build, a bell curve can be expected. (Although not if they roll a single dice. )
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As soon as there's some marketing guys involved, figuring out that many more people can afford small ships than medium ships and really few can afford big ships, the market has many small ships available.
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There was some time, when this would've been really great. By now, it wouldn't do much any more. I mean, why bring a small ship, if you can bring a huge one and do the stuff inside a bases tunnel with a SLF?
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.Now I'm more of an XXLarge ...
Same here. At least once a while, for a few minutes...
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I do think that if they introduce bigger-than-large ships (which I would like), they should have new gameplay associated with them. For examples, ships big enough to have a small landing pad on them, which could be their main method for interacting with orbital stations, or something like that. Have combat between ships of that size be a mostly long-ranged affair, where maneuver fights are replaced with detection/sensor jamming/point defense fights. Smaller ships could use ECM, chaff, or thermal control to get in close and at the range where their agility hopelessly outclasses the big guys, and they have to rely on turrets or fighters. (also make some C4 weapons that work like that, and let things like missiles and torpedoes also work at those ranges, so there's a bit of line blurring)
If such "huge" ships are just "like an Anaconda, but bigger!" it'll be a wasted opportunity.
If such "huge" ships are just "like an Anaconda, but bigger!" it'll be a wasted opportunity.
I'd be fine with a big ship so big it can't dock anywhere. Let us dock a small or med ship into the big+ ship, and resupply the big+ by umbillical to a station, while using smaller ship to actually land there.
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While I agree that it's time that other ship sizes get some love, I'm still somewhat annoyed by the complete lack of competition for the Python in the high-end medium multirole and would like to see some rivals added eventually. An Empire medium ship would also be pretty nice to see.
Small ships are already pretty numerous in the game, with there being 14 of them compared to the 15 mediums (including the Mamba), so they already benefit from a large variety. The only extra variety I'd say that they need is a touch more faction-specific ships and variants, particularly some Federal and Alliance fighters (Empire already have the iEagle and the iCourier).
Large ships could do with some extra variety, as they are by far the least numerous of the of ship sizes. In particular, the Cutter needs some competition at the top end as it is basically the best at everything except exploration. It would also be nice to see some more ships like the iClipper, Orca and T7 that offer good cost efficiency and "big ship on a budget" gameplay.
Small ships are already pretty numerous in the game, with there being 14 of them compared to the 15 mediums (including the Mamba), so they already benefit from a large variety. The only extra variety I'd say that they need is a touch more faction-specific ships and variants, particularly some Federal and Alliance fighters (Empire already have the iEagle and the iCourier).
Large ships could do with some extra variety, as they are by far the least numerous of the of ship sizes. In particular, the Cutter needs some competition at the top end as it is basically the best at everything except exploration. It would also be nice to see some more ships like the iClipper, Orca and T7 that offer good cost efficiency and "big ship on a budget" gameplay.
Somebody in this thread said small ships are dead... come on over to LHS 317 and we show you how dead a swarm of Vultures really is
On a more serious note, it's not about the size of the new ships, it's more about balancing them against the older stuff.
As it stands, most medium ships we got recently have become so "noob-friendly" that you can have a Krait with almost 4k armor, incredible shields, Chieftains, Challengers with massive amount of hullpoints so almost no skill needed for 1v1 PvP let alone PvE...
The real issue is that FDev has no clue how to balance the gear they drop into the live build.
Best example is the Mamba that has become a weak copy of the FDL due to people crying because of the heat issues and lack of understanding how to fly it properly...
On a more serious note, it's not about the size of the new ships, it's more about balancing them against the older stuff.
As it stands, most medium ships we got recently have become so "noob-friendly" that you can have a Krait with almost 4k armor, incredible shields, Chieftains, Challengers with massive amount of hullpoints so almost no skill needed for 1v1 PvP let alone PvE...
The real issue is that FDev has no clue how to balance the gear they drop into the live build.
Best example is the Mamba that has become a weak copy of the FDL due to people crying because of the heat issues and lack of understanding how to fly it properly...
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2019: No symmetrical ships please.
... Panther Clipper *laughs evilly in the background*
...with a dartboard paintjob on its back... the medium ships would love it
What if it gets rear hardpoints that love you right back ? That is something venerable Wing Commander got right already: No sitting on the six of the heavier fighters or bombers pecking them to death. Rear turret says no, find another way.
Okay, np, such a huge target is impossible to miss. Prepare for constant TLB, dispersal, dazzle...
Yes I agree here. In particular, the Python has no peer doing highly valuable haulage missions to outposts, which are often the highest paying. And in general, non-wing haulage missions max out in the Python range of around 180-200t. The Python needs competitions and the missions system needs to scale up to the bigger ships.
We have enough medium combat ships. Any new Imperial medium ship would of course be a non combat ship, like say for example an Imperial Explorer perhaps?
.Same here. At least once a while, for a few minutes...
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