Scanning a beacon for a mission.
If he's new, he might not have anticipated there are players who get enjoyment out of ruining other people's game. It's an alien sentiment to me as well, so I could understand that.
3.0 offers absolutely no protection against big player ships griefing small player ships
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If he's new, he might not have anticipated there are players who get enjoyment out of ruining other people's game. It's an alien sentiment to me as well, so I could understand that.
Good advice, especially for new players.
Unfortunately, Elite has the highest punishment for dying of any MMO type game I have played. (re-buy cost + loss of exploration data + loss of bounties + loss of cargo + possible fines for failed missions) Until this is changed, or there is some sort of Open-PVE mode/PVE Flag, a lot of people will stay in solo/private.
But he was with experienced player. And if he certainly feels someone acting like jerk, just leg from there, fly 1km away, whatever. You can do scans from big distance.
C&P will never fix issues like these. Players have to learn. Or play private/solo.
A Clipper is faster than a Cobra...
Sure. I was just offering a reason why he didn't leg it immediately, which was not immediately to assume jerkiness of that magnitude.
Now he knows to expect it.
so you support solution: go solo/group ramming solved?
And now he knows how to be salty about it and not to learn anything.
Not that we can help him in any way, but ohh boy this is saddening.
He's a bit fanatical about that, so his quote will apply here.
Small ships already have the best protection against ramming by big ships: they're agile and they're small.
Of course none of that helps if you're sitting stationary and not paying attention to your surroundings, especially in the presence of another player.
And yes, this is 'victim' blaming if you will.
Of course none of that helps if you're sitting stationary and not paying attention to your surroundings, especially in the presence of another player.
And yes, this is 'victim' blaming if you will.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/so
Not sure how you were able to draw that conclusion from the quote I posted.
Thanks for the reply Sandro, much appreciated.
It was an alien sentiment to me as well when I started playing ED so you have a good point. At least until it happened to me, then you have to accept that people will happily kill you for no other reason than that they can... Human beings have an amazing capacity to disappoint imo.
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So, at the moment, notoriety doesn't apply to ramming. That's all - everything else does. This is the current situation to prevent an even larger griefing loophole. If you can come up with a realistic solution to this, I'm pretty sure everyone would like to hear about it.
But, aside from that - what is it that you want? Do you want constructive ideas, or do you only want to vent steam? If the latter, you're done - deal with it
.If the former - ok, now it's too late to undo what has been done, but the next time that happens, simply get out of the way. And no, that isn't "git gud" - that's more like "learn to fly". If you want to avoid meeting that CMDR again, look him up in your history tab of the comms panel, then add him to your ignore list. If you want to get back into the Cobra, take your Sidey to an unsuspicious system with a few stations aligned to your favourite superpower, then do a few missions to upgrade your rep, which will enable you to do a few missions more to get some money. But unless you like the Cobra for whatever specific reasons, I'd recommend to stay in the Sidey a little longer and upgrade that one. With the right upgrades, that one is a beast - among the fastest and most agile ships in the game. If you want to use it for serious combat, though, you'll need to get some PowerPlay weapons.
Perhaps, as a player NEW to Elite he wasn't familiar with how TOXIC some of the online Elite Player base can be...I've been flying online for nearly 20 years (since the days of trying to get multiple people on a home-built server with DSL connections) and until I picked up Elite i'd NEVER encountered anything like it...
As a normal functioning adult who'd played online in better communities...he'd probably assume the first time that he was rammed it was an accidental collision...and only realise it was "Intent" after the second time...which leaves him less margin for error...
What kind of thought processes go through someone's head, to stay still whilst being rammed?
Seriously, the guy needs to learn the Ole! Manoeuvre[tm].
When a raging bull is charging towards you, you become like the matador, casually manoeuvring out of the way of the bull.
If the Clipper is hurtling towards you, it only takes a few metres of up/down/left/right lateral thrust to move sufficiently out of the way.
This isn't about victim blaming. Or about 'gittin gud'. This is about not being an idiot.
Tell your friend that next time he gets attacked he should run. C&P isn't there to make ship destruction impossible, otherwise you could always tell him to go to PG/Solo or block the attacking player.
I don't buy it simply.
Elite is skill game. You have to be aware of your surroundings. Everything - well almost everything - has damage model.
It is not your 'ok, I have to shoot this thingy and do nothing else' game.
You're in a non-combat situation with a couple of neutral ships on your scanner...you're not wanted, don't have hardpoints deployed, you're not performing a mission for a power etc...
You're at a point where lots of ships might congregate (Beacon) both PC and NPC...
You're involved in a collision...
NEW to Elite...you'd assume it was a random accidental collision caused by carelessness or traffic...
UNTIL you're familiar with the idiocy of some Elite Players you'd never think...oh...this is a guy that hangs out at high traffic areas with the specific intention of ramming smaller Player Only Ships...
Would you?
Amazing how people are completely unable to tell the difference between
A) this specific incident happened, and I am whining about it happening
B) this specific incident makes me question the existence/necessity of a general rule aimed at punishing incidents of this sort.
Git gud/watch your surroundings people, you should probably git gud at reading.
A) this specific incident happened, and I am whining about it happening
B) this specific incident makes me question the existence/necessity of a general rule aimed at punishing incidents of this sort.
Git gud/watch your surroundings people, you should probably git gud at reading.