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Anyone know Howe many zoos had sun bears? I would have thought that sun bears would be ideal for zoo games.
I'm not sure how many have them, but it's great they're going to be ideal for zoo games since we're getting them in DLC tomorrow.
I think the main problem is still that people don't really have a idea of what a subspecies is. I've never heard of somebody complaining about the fact we have a leopard and a lion in game, which genetically are much closer than an emu and an ostrich, with rhinos its even an more interesting story, a white rhino has a completely different behavior than an Indian and I think it would probably need a whole new rig.
I want to add something to this, which I somehow find very interesting.
In case of the panthera some people say that a normal Leopard is not necessary because we already have two leopard species. But in fact genetics has shown that the species which ist the closest relative to the Leopard is the lion. The next relative is the Jaguar and then there are the snow leopard which closest relative is the tiger. In contrast to that the clouded Leopard is the most far away and has somehow a special place within the panthera group.
In fact all big cats are related very close and they split from their basal species perhaps about 2-3 Million years ago. In contrast to that the Malayan tapir split away from the other tapires more than 20 mio years ago.
I think a lot of people just look at the appearance of species and in fact a tapir looks much more the same to another tapir than the lion to the tiger. And I think its also a normal view because nearly nobody is interrested in detailed taxonomy
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I think some of it also that sometimes some will look at another feline, any feline, and say "oh another cat" or any canid and say "it's another wolf" . To be clear that's perfectly fine if they do that, I'm not going to judge their right to do so, but I will say that while yes, it's another cat/wolf/bear/whathaveyou it doesn't make it a reskin/clone. If creating the zoo roster was based around that, why have both a lion and a tiger (as an extreme example but to make my point)I want to add something to this, which I somehow find very interesting.
In case of the panthera some people say that a normal Leopard is not necessary because we already have two leopard species. But in fact genetics has shown that the species which ist the closest relative to the Leopard is the lion. The next relative is the Jaguar and then there are the snow leopard which closest relative is the tiger. In contrast to that the clouded Leopard is the most far away and has somehow a special place within the panthera group.
In fact all big cats are related very close and they split from their basal species perhaps about 2-3 Million years ago. In contrast to that the Malayan tapir split away from the other tapires more than 20 mio years ago.
I think a lot of people just look at the appearance of species and in fact a tapir looks much more the same to another tapir than the lion to the tiger. And I think its also a normal view because nearly nobody is interrested in detailed taxonomy
Admitted, I'm also guilty of the same thing at times. I look at antelopes. I'm over them, done. I don't need anymore. They're all just another antelope to me.
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Here's my list:
- Meerkat
- White Rhinoceros
- African Leopard
- Asian small-clawed otter
- African Crested Porcupine
- Bennett's Wallaby
- Red River Hog
- Crowned Crane
- Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
- Capybara
- Black and White Colobus Monkey
- Humboldt Penguin
- Black Rhinoceros
- Moose
- Dama Gazelle
- Bat-eared fox
- Cougar
- Greater Kudu
- Sloth bear
- California Sea Lion
- Fossa
- Linne's Two-Toed Sloth
- Maned wolf
- American Alligator
- Collared Peccary
- Ringtail Coati
- Gerenuk
- Giant Eland
- Markhor
- Reeve's Muntjac
1.Black Rhinoceros
2. White Rhinoceros
3. Ratel
4. Meerkat
5. American Alligator
6. Cougar
7. Wolverine
8. Musk Ox
9. Caracal
10. Moose
11. Fennec Fox
12. Ibex
13. Iberian lynx
14. Spectacled Bear
15. Secretary bird
16. Somali Wild Donkey
17. Platypus
18. Tasmanian devil
19. Beaver
20. Orca
21. Manatee
22. Dolphin
23. Bald Eagle
24. Gibbon
25. Walrus
26. Sloth
27. Fossa
28. Takin
29. Arctic Fox
30. Alligator Snapping Turtle
2. White Rhinoceros
3. Ratel
4. Meerkat
5. American Alligator
6. Cougar
7. Wolverine
8. Musk Ox
9. Caracal
10. Moose
11. Fennec Fox
12. Ibex
13. Iberian lynx
14. Spectacled Bear
15. Secretary bird
16. Somali Wild Donkey
17. Platypus
18. Tasmanian devil
19. Beaver
20. Orca
21. Manatee
22. Dolphin
23. Bald Eagle
24. Gibbon
25. Walrus
26. Sloth
27. Fossa
28. Takin
29. Arctic Fox
30. Alligator Snapping Turtle
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You have "clones" in behavior, you have "clones' in looks.
In the real animal world, there ARE NO CLONES, just sub-species, but you have to understand, the same does not count for a game.
There are a couple of situations.
Some people call everything a clone, I don't know what they want or expect, but calling Proboscis Monkey, Babirusa and Sun Bears clones is just plain wrong, in game and real world standards, they are all very different behaving and awesome, no clones-in-game at all. Same goes with most antelopes, though I could see why some people think Thompson Gazelle and Springbok too similar.
Then you have the animals that wouldn't take much breath to create, but which are still very different, such as Leopards, they look like other big cats and behave a lot like them to be honest, but still they aren't clones, same goes with Spectacled Bears vs Black Bear ect ect. I count both types of Tapir here as well, their colors are so different. Same goes for white and black rhino's, they can't be really counted as game-clones, they look very differently, behave differently, and can be placed with different animals.
Then you have easy-way-outs and true game-clones, such as different types of giraffe, bush/desert Elephant, Black Bear vs Formosan Black Bear, Nile Crocodile AND Saltwater Crocodile, Asian Lions. The clones I think are already in the game are the Chimpanzee and Tiger-species. I'm personally VERY against such introductions in the game as:
1: They take spots of animals that DO look very unique and behave much differently.
2: Such animals can easily be created by MODDERS, they behave the same anyway.
3: They are easy money, and I'm against easy money.
The sollution for these animals is to release them FREE among 8 totally new animals, so for an African Pack you could say,
Chameleon / Meerkat / Red River Hog / White Rhinoceros / Secretary Bird / Fossa / Cresed Porcupine and Ratel, THEN add a few re-color animals along with vegetation and stuff like that, like add a different skin for giraffes and call it Masai or whatever, but don't take away a spot of the 8 original animals, which can be boars, big cats ect, just not color-variants that behave mostly the same, which in my eyes are really the clones.
The worst animal they can introduce in this game is the American Black Bear and the Nile Crocodile, the horror, the wasted opportunity, the cheapness.
In the real animal world, there ARE NO CLONES, just sub-species, but you have to understand, the same does not count for a game.
There are a couple of situations.
Some people call everything a clone, I don't know what they want or expect, but calling Proboscis Monkey, Babirusa and Sun Bears clones is just plain wrong, in game and real world standards, they are all very different behaving and awesome, no clones-in-game at all. Same goes with most antelopes, though I could see why some people think Thompson Gazelle and Springbok too similar.
Then you have the animals that wouldn't take much breath to create, but which are still very different, such as Leopards, they look like other big cats and behave a lot like them to be honest, but still they aren't clones, same goes with Spectacled Bears vs Black Bear ect ect. I count both types of Tapir here as well, their colors are so different. Same goes for white and black rhino's, they can't be really counted as game-clones, they look very differently, behave differently, and can be placed with different animals.
Then you have easy-way-outs and true game-clones, such as different types of giraffe, bush/desert Elephant, Black Bear vs Formosan Black Bear, Nile Crocodile AND Saltwater Crocodile, Asian Lions. The clones I think are already in the game are the Chimpanzee and Tiger-species. I'm personally VERY against such introductions in the game as:
1: They take spots of animals that DO look very unique and behave much differently.
2: Such animals can easily be created by MODDERS, they behave the same anyway.
3: They are easy money, and I'm against easy money.
The sollution for these animals is to release them FREE among 8 totally new animals, so for an African Pack you could say,
Chameleon / Meerkat / Red River Hog / White Rhinoceros / Secretary Bird / Fossa / Cresed Porcupine and Ratel, THEN add a few re-color animals along with vegetation and stuff like that, like add a different skin for giraffes and call it Masai or whatever, but don't take away a spot of the 8 original animals, which can be boars, big cats ect, just not color-variants that behave mostly the same, which in my eyes are really the clones.
The worst animal they can introduce in this game is the American Black Bear and the Nile Crocodile, the horror, the wasted opportunity, the cheapness.
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Back in business. I'll update the latest submissions asap.
I think it could be a good idea to start a new thread in half a year or so, a bit after the summer DLC. And I guess it'd make sense to reduce the number of animals to 20-25 by then.
I'm happy to keep doing that myself.
Thanks!
I think it could be a good idea to start a new thread in half a year or so, a bit after the summer DLC. And I guess it'd make sense to reduce the number of animals to 20-25 by then.
I'm happy to keep doing that myself.
I’m very glad you’re doing this. It seems like an ideal way for the developers get some ideas of animals the community wants to see. I think Meerkat has a chance only because of this list and that’s awesome for everyone involved.
@random goat thank you for the willingness to start another list later in the year!
I agree with the thoughts on the meerkat. I know it's going to probably be a difficult animal to program, it's small, it doesn't fit their idea of larger "seen from far away" animals, and I could easily see them just opting not to do it if there were no indication of any solid support for it other than posts that get lost in the shuffle. But with a list like this, it's very well established that the community wants to see them in the game. Even if we know it'll be a pain to code.
Sorry, I do go on, they're just my #1 want since the base game came out. I honestly don't know what I'll do when they do make it in. When not if! LOL
Cool... one tiny suggestion though; if we haven't got aquarium animals (fish, whales, sharks, sea turtles, manatees, etc.) by then, maybe make a separate thread for them, like the exhibit animals and aviary animals got.
1. Tree Kangaroo
2. White Rhinoceros
3. Saiga
4. Galápagos Pink Land Iguana [exhibition]
5. Capybara
6. Cougar
7. Red Deer
8. Musk Ox
9. Scimitar Oryx
10. Moose
11. Fennec Fox
12. Thorny Devil [exhibition]
13. Iberian lynx
14. Chameleon sp [exhibition]
15. Shoebill
16. Somali Wild Donkey
17. Platypus
18. Tasmanian devil
19. Macaws (Hyacinth Macaw, Blue-And-Yellow Macaw, Scarlet Macaw) //// Toucans (Toco toucan) //// Cockatoos (Major Mitchell's cockatoo, Pink And Grey Cockatoo)
20. Orca
21. Manatee
22. Dolphin
23. Harpy Eagle
24. Atlantic Puffin
25. Walrus or Elephant Seal
26. Yangtze giant softshell turtle or Leatherback Sea Turtle
27. Beluga Whale
28. Takin
29. Arctic Fox
30. Alligator Snapping Turtle
2. White Rhinoceros
3. Saiga
4. Galápagos Pink Land Iguana [exhibition]
5. Capybara
6. Cougar
7. Red Deer
8. Musk Ox
9. Scimitar Oryx
10. Moose
11. Fennec Fox
12. Thorny Devil [exhibition]
13. Iberian lynx
14. Chameleon sp [exhibition]
15. Shoebill
16. Somali Wild Donkey
17. Platypus
18. Tasmanian devil
19. Macaws (Hyacinth Macaw, Blue-And-Yellow Macaw, Scarlet Macaw) //// Toucans (Toco toucan) //// Cockatoos (Major Mitchell's cockatoo, Pink And Grey Cockatoo)
20. Orca
21. Manatee
22. Dolphin
23. Harpy Eagle
24. Atlantic Puffin
25. Walrus or Elephant Seal
26. Yangtze giant softshell turtle or Leatherback Sea Turtle
27. Beluga Whale
28. Takin
29. Arctic Fox
30. Alligator Snapping Turtle
- Asian small-clawed otter
- Fennec fox
- Meerkat
- Ocelot
- American alligator
- Tree kangaroo
- North American river otter
- Wolverine
- Coati
- Capybara
- Prairie dogs
- Caracal
- Red river hog
- Tasmanian devil
- California sea lion
- African rhino
- Fossa
- Colobus monkey
- Gibbon
- Kiwi
- Bobcat
- Duiker
- African leopard
- Howler monkey
- Mountain lion
- Crested porcupine
- Red fox
- Golden lion tamarin
- Wombat
- Pere David's deer
This list is for habitat animals only, not exhibit or aviary animals; there are other threads for those.
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my list:
Fennec fox
Meerkat
Tree kangaroo
American alligator
Wolverine
Capybara
Tasmanian devil
Wombat
Red fox
Moose
Cougar
North American Beaver
Great white shark
Sloth
Arctic Fox
Wallaby
Fossa
Eurasian Lynx
Red-crowned crane
South American Coati
Ocelot
Striped Hyena
Raccoon
European Badger
Weasel
California Sea Lion
Cape Penguin
African Civet
Aye-aye
Nile Crocodile
Fennec fox
Meerkat
Tree kangaroo
American alligator
Wolverine
Capybara
Tasmanian devil
Wombat
Red fox
Moose
Cougar
North American Beaver
Great white shark
Sloth
Arctic Fox
Wallaby
Fossa
Eurasian Lynx
Red-crowned crane
South American Coati
Ocelot
Striped Hyena
Raccoon
European Badger
Weasel
California Sea Lion
Cape Penguin
African Civet
Aye-aye
Nile Crocodile
My list:
1 - Iberian ( or Eurasian ) Lynx
2 - Moose
3 - Meerkat
4 - African Rhino
5 - Tree Kangaroo
6 - Red Deer
7 - Californian Sealion
8 - Sloth Bear
9 - Ring-Tailed Coati
10 - Wild Boar
11 - Fossa
12 - Fennec Fox
13 - Arctic Fox
14 - European Badger
15 - Wombat
16 - Grey Crowned Crane
17 - Cougar
18 - North American Beaver
19 - European Otter
20 - Alpine Ibex
21 - Tasmanian Devil
22 - Lar Gibbon
23 - Wisent
24 - Atlantic Walrus
25 - African Penguin
26 - Capybara
27 - Orchid Mantis ( Exhibit )
28 - Fire Salamander ( Exhibit )
29 - Axolotl ( Exhibit )
30 - King Cobra ( Exhibit )
1 - Iberian ( or Eurasian ) Lynx
2 - Moose
3 - Meerkat
4 - African Rhino
5 - Tree Kangaroo
6 - Red Deer
7 - Californian Sealion
8 - Sloth Bear
9 - Ring-Tailed Coati
10 - Wild Boar
11 - Fossa
12 - Fennec Fox
13 - Arctic Fox
14 - European Badger
15 - Wombat
16 - Grey Crowned Crane
17 - Cougar
18 - North American Beaver
19 - European Otter
20 - Alpine Ibex
21 - Tasmanian Devil
22 - Lar Gibbon
23 - Wisent
24 - Atlantic Walrus
25 - African Penguin
26 - Capybara
27 - Orchid Mantis ( Exhibit )
28 - Fire Salamander ( Exhibit )
29 - Axolotl ( Exhibit )
30 - King Cobra ( Exhibit )
My list:
- White Rhino
- California Sea Lion
- Meerkat
- Black Rhino
- Muntjak
- Capibara
- African Forest Buffalo
- European Bison
- Red River Hog
- Emu
- Eland
- Musk Ox
- Tasmanian Devil
- Wombat
- Bennet's Wallaby
- Walrus
- Addax
- Iberian Lynx
- American Alligator
- Nile Crocodile
- Nilgai
- Scimitar-Horned Oryx
- Przewalski's Horse
- Brazilian Tapir
- Pere David's Deer
- Red Deer
- Dromedary Camel
- Dama Gazelle
- Humboldt Penguin
- Takin
- Status