3rd person view.. Implementaion

[Dozer.k.a.o.]

Agreed, even using the word "immersion" as a defence of this ridiculous issue is, well, ridiculous. How does someone else using an external view, purely for aesthetic reasons, affect *your* immersion?!? It's already fairly well established that using an external view would not confer any kind of benefit in combat, and even if it did, it would be no more effective or useful as someone using a TrackIR or whatever. I could probably fill an entire forum page with a list of flight simulators from down the years that have a slew of different external & flyby views, which some folks would have used, and others not, but never, until now have I seen such an irrational, overblown campaign against such a feature. Its absence from the release version is baffling enough, the backlash against its inclusion even more so.

Simulators that implement external views , if they are focused on combat, usually have separate modes for flying realistic or arcade, seems you never played Il2 or warthunder, in the other hand, if they are flight simulators symply doesn´t matter how you play because all the objectives are to go from A to B and see wonderful views, but even those are so realistic that they force you to play inside the cockpit because you need to check your instruments all the time.

If you have Track Ir it´s just a peripheral that gives you a more natural way to do something that is already in the game and it is available for everybody, yo can do it with a joystick´s hat or even with the mouse if you play with keyboard, of course the more you invest in hardware the more versatile you will be at game, and even in that situation, a player with a simple keyboard and mouse can beat another one with a full rig (chair hotas track ir).

But external views are tricky, if they are used like 3d cameras in combat, just degrades the game to arcade, simply try to play inside your cockpit in Warthunder against everybody who is playing with external camera and you will know what i´m talking about, i don´t have anything against it, if it is just for doing screenshots, or check you ship inside stations, but a 3d view i think will bring many players to the wrong game, and they already have a lot of les for playing that way.

 

[knoppaz]

You can perform the same action as trackir and oculus rift with mouse look or a mapped coolie hat.
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This.
I have no idea why people are talking about tunnel view all the time..

 

[micky1up]

Rubbish this game is not a simulator at all the reason i asked for a 3d external view is because what a waste of a fab graphic engine to be restricted to a cockpit the view and screen shots u could take would be immense and all you have to do is restrict the hud and sytems from that view and it would be no use to combat at all whatso ever

 

[Gédéon_Lecanard]

You can perform the same action as trackir and oculus rift with mouse look or a mapped coolie hat.


This.
I have no idea why people are talking about tunnel view all the time..

Have you actually tried this? Simply put, no you absolutely cannot do the same. TrackIR or OR are peripherals driven by natural head movements. They return smooth, uber-precise and very natural positions (real headlooks in fact) and you don't even have to think about it. It's an extension of your body, and it leaves both your hands and mind completely free. A coolie hat will feel awkward at best, compared to that, not to mention very imprecise, in constant need of adjustments and forcing you to spend a coolie hat only for that feature. The mouse, you'll have to move by hand. Stick, mouse, stick, mouse... In combat, you may want to avoid that.

 

[knoppaz]

Have you actually tried this? Simply put, no you absolutely cannot do the same. TrackIR or OR are peripherals driven by natural head movements. They return smooth, uber-precise and very natural positions (real headlooks in fact) and you don't even have to think about it. It's an extension of your body, and it leaves both your hands and mind completely free. A coolie hat will feel awkward at best, compared to that, not to mention very imprecise, in constant need of adjustments and forcing you to spend a coolie hat only for that feature. The mouse, you'll have to move by hand. Stick, mouse, stick, mouse... In combat, you may want to avoid that.

Ofcourse TrackIR or OR are the most natural option, but playing with mouse and keyboard only, having mapped the "look around"-option to RMB works like a charm *shrug*

 

[Kurgen]

If you have Track Ir it´s just a peripheral that gives you a more natural way to do something that is already in the game and it is available for everybody, yo can do it with a joystick´s hat or even with the mouse if you play with keyboard, of course the more you invest in hardware the more versatile you will be at game, and even in that situation, a player with a simple keyboard and mouse can beat another one with a full rig (chair hotas track ir).

Indeed, it is already in the game, and those who don't have access to such equipment have to make a conscious effort to activate a specific control in order to look in a certain direction, whereas someone with TrackIR or Oculus simply has to turn their head, as you said, a completely natural and automatic action. This in itself confers a certain advantage to those with this equipment. The difference here is that I'm not whining about people using such kit when I don't have it, I honestly couldn't care less. I am however, very tempted to splash-out on the Oculus.

One thing many people have missed in this whole debate, is that we may be talking about different things. Having an external camera, one which when activated, jumps the player outside and behind the ship, but keeps looking in that direction even after the player re-orients the ship, would be completely useless in combat, and would in fact be a complete liability. What I think some folks are envisaging is a chase camera, which does have at least the potential to give its user an advantage, unless all cockpit panels were unusable when it is in use.

 

[Yellonet]

What do you mean only intelligent way?

It is so very apparent on here that many people have never played a combat sim in the past. ALL hard core sims have 3rd person view. It does not give tactical advantage and it is there to INCREASE realism!!!! In real life, you do not have tunnel vision. You can't account for that in a computer sim so to get around it you have 3rd person. Anyone who plays hard core sims knows this. Anyone who thinks it's a pvp advantage I would be happy to prove wrong. Fly in 3rd person during actual combat and say bye bye to your ride.

It seems one person makes an uninformed comment and then all the other uninformed people repeat it.

In combat flight sims external views are often not allowed on full realism servers as it gives an unrealistic view around the aircraft, the ability to visually spot other aircraft and ground objects becomes much improved as you can in effect look in every direction while in reality the view from the cockpit is often very limited.

It's also a big immersion factor that you cannot just float outside your body on a whim.

I'm firmly opposed to including external views.

 

[micky1up]

right ok this isnt a simulator next make it selectable if you want it use it if you dont dont

 

[DeathRaye]

A while back I read a complaint that there was no third person view of the ship and therefore what point was there in purchasing a paint job, since the only place you would see it would be in the dock.

The reason given for this feature not being present is that it would give players an unfair advantage in combat against other players. So why can't the 3rd person allowed in the no fire zone around a station? Or Just disabled in combat? A few games have used the zoom in/out to the cockpit technique and it works well.


Other arguments I have read, "It breaks the immersion".
Well ... Shouldn't that be a choice for the player?

I'm going to regret this but.... your thoughts?

How about, When in this outer view, all controls that deal with combat are disabled... I would like the outer view so that I can take Screenshots of my ships, group when we are flying together, of the environment... Bla Bla Bla Bla.... But that is my reasons for wanting it, and I could care less if the combat features worked during this....

DeathRaye

 

[etien]

a drone screen with a camera view from the cockpit would be my choice

 

[TROOPER181st]

I would love a 3rd person view or better a 360 degree external view. The game is advertised as play how you want and do what you want and have total freedom as much as you want. Restrictions and forcing to play from just 1 view is very limited in my book.
There is almost no racing game, shooter game or simulator game which doesn't have the option to choose between a 1st person and 3rd person view.

Why am i not allowed to choose my personal favourite view? Having a advantage over a real life opponent because of a view?
A player using a 1st person view who is skilled enough will always be able to beat a person using a 3rd person view. a player using a 3rd person view who is skilled enough will always be able to beat a person using a 1st person view. What is the most crucial factor to using either style of view? PRACTICE. It's easy to excuse your shortcommings on something you feel is a game-breaker or an undue advantage, but the view style you choose when playing ED, is in the end, immaterial to your overall performance. As much as we like to argue about our own personal preferences there is no view style that is superior to another. You, the player decide the outcome.

I want to play an 3rd person view but i am not allowed? So what is the point of selling me skins for the ships if you never will see them? Except when you outfit hardpoints? Then its hardly worth it. Sorry but if i only knew before that this game would not have a 3rd person view i for sure wouldnt bought this game. It sounds hard but it's a factor for me. Seriously I would buy the shipskins if i could admire my ship when im flying in space but only if there was a 3rd person view.

I also play racing games in 3rd person view and that view is not considerd as a real racing simulator view, but i play racing games as entertainment not as a simulator. The way i play DE is the same, its a game for fun, not a real life space simulator. I understand that De wants to be seen as simulator but In space their is no sound so why did they include sound effects? It would be pretty boring, well then why not letting the player choose a view he wants? Its pretty boring to look from 1 view alone. Best consensus would be a option to choose and not to be forced to play it i don't want to.