A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

Starwolfe

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From what I have seen, if several states activate on the same tick, the one that is highest priority will go active while the others go straight to recovery.
 

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Starwolfe said:
From what I have seen, if several states activate on the same tick, the one that is highest priority will go active while the others go straight to recovery.
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Hmm. Strangely enough we just had two states trigger on the same day at today's tick.

Been pending expansion since Friday. Should have gone active today.
Been pending war in another system since Sunday. Should have gone active today.

We were expecting a zero-day expansion into one of the 4 available systems and war to trigger. Instead we got a war and a failed expansion - no recovering state just a message on the news board in system that expansion had failed. Never seen an expansion fail before. :(
 

goemon

goemon
call_me_trent said:
Hmm. Strangely enough we just had two states trigger on the same day at today's tick.

Been pending expansion since Friday. Should have gone active today.
Been pending war in another system since Sunday. Should have gone active today.

We were expecting a zero-day expansion into one of the 4 available systems and war to trigger. Instead we got a war and a failed expansion - no recovering state just a message on the news board in system that expansion had failed. Never seen an expansion fail before. :(
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bad timing.

the succession for the BGS algorythm plays into that, and afaik there is no definite way to know, in which succesion it will calculate the states.

if you want to cut short an expansion, time your conflicts to go active 1 tick after the expansion gets active.
 

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goemon said:
bad timing.

the succession for the BGS algorythm plays into that, and afaik there is no definite way to know, in which succesion it will calculate the states.

if you want to cut short an expansion, time your conflicts to go active 1 tick after the expansion gets active.
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We had actually planed to go into pending war on Monday. After 3 days of going up about 3.5-4% each day in the target system, we jumped 7% on Sunday's tick and went pending a day 'early'. Punished for working too hard, another first for me. [haha]

We'll just have to try again in a few days time.
 

ErichZann

ErichZann
When you actually enter the state of Expansion, should your minor faction be found in another system (via the system maps) already in the same or next tick? I am pretty sure that in the past it was instantly on entering the state, is it still like that?
 

goemon

goemon
ErichZann said:
When you actually enter the state of Expansion, should your minor faction be found in another system (via the system maps) already in the same or next tick? I am pretty sure that in the past it was instantly on entering the state, is it still like that?
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no, that was changed. expansion now happens on the last tick of active expansion (5 ticks, some claim rare occasions of 6 ticks).
 

goemon

goemon
call_me_trent said:
We had actually planed to go into pending war on Monday. After 3 days of going up about 3.5-4% each day in the target system, we jumped 7% on Sunday's tick and went pending a day 'early'. Punished for working too hard, another first for me. [haha]

We'll just have to try again in a few days time.
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i'd triple check in a few hours, that your faction wasn't added somewhere ... we had a very strange expansion some weeks ago, where the state was cleared due to a conflict, we had no news on the station boards, but 6-7 hours after the tick we found out from the news, that we had been added to a system ... even to a system we weren't expecting at all (out of 20 ly from the expansion system as confirmed by station news, jumping several <7 minor factions systems in range ... for sure some bug, but don't ask don't tell...).
 

goemon

goemon
ErichZann said:
Oh ok, thanks! Is there any risk to fail the expansion then during that time? or is it just waiting?
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I'd say it is just waiting. never heard of a failed expansion beside no system in range to expand to ... but call_me_trent is just reporting about one :-/
 

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goemon said:
i'd triple check in a few hours, that your faction wasn't added somewhere ... we had a very strange expansion some weeks ago, where the state was cleared due to a conflict, we had no news on the station boards, but 6-7 hours after the tick we found out from the news, that we had been added to a system ... even to a system we weren't expecting at all (out of 20 ly from the expansion system as confirmed by station news, jumping several <7 minor factions systems in range ... for sure some bug, but don't ask don't tell...).
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Will do, but this news article doesn't leave me with much optimism. [downcast] I'll let you know either way tomorrow.

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Limoncello Lizard

Limoncello Lizard
goemon said:
I'd say it is just waiting. never heard of a failed expansion beside no system in range to expand to ... but call_me_trent is just reporting about one :-/
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Don't they fail if your influence level drops too far?

I haven't let an expanding faction drop below 70%.

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Jane Turner said:
Also has anyone ever removed a pending state of any type once queued (as opposed to timing an expansion/conflict to arrive in the same tick and making last a few minutes)?

We never bother trying to counteract a lockdown because of the ease of removing them and because they make no difference to our daily activities.
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Trying to remove a pending lockdown right now, so I'll let you know.

We also have an expansion pending, so it may not be a conclusive test.
 

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Limoncello Lizard said:
Don't they fail if your influence level drops too far?

I haven't let an expanding faction drop below 70%.

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Trying to remove a pending lockdown right now, so I'll let you know.

We also have an expansion pending, so it may not be a conclusive test.
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We're still above expansion level, like you I aim to keep it as high as possible for as long as possible. We did drop from 81% to 78% at today's tick. I'd expect a drop if we were going into expansion. (Although, I'd also expect an expansion...)

Patau82 said:
what does the faction states galnet say?
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Showing Current: None. Pending: None. Recovering Boom. (We were in Boom) This screenshot is taken from the main station in the system we were expanding from. I'd have expected it to be showing Expansion somewhere but there's nothing. There are more news articles mentioning our failure to expand now so it looks like the expansion really did fail.

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SaliVader said:
Did your faction experience an investment before the expansion?
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Nope. And there are 4 systems within range that have 6 or fewer factions. I think we've just been unlucky. Or something has happened within the system (I've just noticed that the old description on the system map has been removed)
 

Starwolfe

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But you said you have a war in another system. The Failure message is new to me, but it appears to be flavor text for the missing recovering state caused because the war takes priority.
 

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Starwolfe said:
But you said you have a war in another system. The Failure message is new to me, but it appears to be flavor text for the missing recovering state caused because the war takes priority.
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Quite possibly. If the war breaking out at today's tick had blocked the expansion, I'd still have expected the expansion state to show as either a pending or a recovering state.

It's just a bit of a strange one as it goes against what we'd previously thought about expansions (i.e. that once they go pending an expansion is inevitable if there is a suitable system within range to expand to)
 

Schlack

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Jane Turner said:
This is our view - hence the question. I've seen states last a few minutes though - and they would have appeared to go from pending to recovering had I not been in the middle of tracking them when they changed
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Double checked. One tick it was active expansion (other system), pending election, civil unrest and famine. Next tick:Active expansion, pending election, boom civil unrest, and famine in recovery. 5 ticks later it was in Active election and pending War at the same time. Never saw that before or since thankfully.

Memory works for once. This faction has been insane since 2.2 dropped.
 
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