Is pending war like pending expansion in that there is a 5 day wait period before the war starts? Or do we have to trigger the war by doing missions even though we are already pending? (old 11/15 answer I found)
A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim
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I just recently got interested in the BGS and trying to influence a Faction. I was trying to help out in a War that was going on with my newly chosen Faction over the past few days. A guide like this would be really helpful.
@Schlack ... Murrdox's statement is the absolute self evident reason as to why now we need a Sub Group, and why we should all bombard Brett (as some of us have now done).
He/She is new to the BGS, he/she is giving it a good go. None of us wants to deter Murrdox, but ultimately we would also prefer not to answer the basic question each time someone new joins in the fun to avoid repitition. That is not us being old grumpy bums, its just nature. Having said that, your probably right on the 'opaque' nature as just as we clear the fog a new update comes along and envelopes us.
Come on Brett!!!!! Give us a Sub group. Its all for the good of the game afterall. [up]
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I totally agree that the faction-wide effect is realistic, and it's cool, too. Although I wish it were a bit less draconian on the systems that aren't in conflict state. What my concern (or, really just subjective dislike) is that there's no way for the borders to slowly expand in an organic fashion. And I mean much more slowly than what players can manage. I have no idea how that could actually be managed in the game, and I agree that it would be really cool to have this based more on PP than on the BGS -- a nice way for them to interact.
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Another noob question..
So, my faction is gaining influence very fast and next rival faction is the controlling faction.
If our influence exceeds the rival factions influence, do we have to even the influence to get into war with them by for example doing some missions for them?
E.G whats the easiest way to even the influences?
So, my faction is gaining influence very fast and next rival faction is the controlling faction.
If our influence exceeds the rival factions influence, do we have to even the influence to get into war with them by for example doing some missions for them?
E.G whats the easiest way to even the influences?
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if it is the controlling faction, and you only need to win 1 war (because they only have 1 asset or you only want 1 station from them), you can trigger >65% for a system control war.
otherwise, "the easiest way to even influences" depends very much on circumtances
- if your group has some traders, selling goods with profit will raise their influence
- if there is a RES, and your group likes bountyhunting, every bounty transaction for that faction will raise its influence
- if you have an explorer returning, cashing in exploration data will raise the station controlling factions influence...
... and missions.
War will start if you even influences OR surpass them by 5% max - the latter is more likely and easy. If you overshoot that 5% then you need to start again and do the opposite, even influences or have them surpass you again.
I have found that it is now a bit different when approaching your target. You will equal influence no matter how hard you push, Unless they are in conflict somewhere else. I have equalled and gone pending, while in war & while my target was in war in system. I have just managed to bypass 2 targets to get to 60% by putting them in war somewhere else. Is this how others are seeing it?.
I'm not seeing the 'going pending Conflict' when already in Conflict elsewhere. A multi-system faction could end up triggering pending Conflicts in a whole chain of systems if that was the case. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you have said.
Not really, I did that multiple times. I have the impression it is more likely to end up equal if you come from far below rather than just below, but that could be confirmation bias.
sounds like a bug to me.
in my understanding and from my experience a conflict in any state (pending, active, recovering) blocks all other conflicts.
What I have seen recently on 2 occasions now though is that I have sold Explo Data when in the final day of War (thats the extra day after any swap of assets would occur) and found my faction loses 7% of influence the following day. I was sceptical when I first did this, thought of it as my error and dismissed it.
But I decided to do it again at the end of my next conflict. And the same again.
I checked the Traffic Report on both occasions, 3 Asps was the first occasion, 4 Pythons on the second.
What was very interesting though, is that the faction to benefit most was the former controlling faction of each system.
As my faction controlled the systems on both occasions, at roughly 60% and the others were a jumble of %. While working in other systems, a player had gone in and sold a load of Painite (definitely on the 2nd occasion) raising another factions influence at the other outpost over a couple of days. This lowered me enough to trigger War. The former leading faction was way down the pecking order. So I completed the War (to the final day), and sold the data.
The next tick, I take a hit for 7% (7.3% actually) and the former leading faction lifts by 5%, despite not being in the War and no longer owning any dockable asset.
The value of the data sold on both occasions was under 1Mil Cr.
Is something going on with the game mechanics or am I still reading too much in to this?
But I decided to do it again at the end of my next conflict. And the same again.
I checked the Traffic Report on both occasions, 3 Asps was the first occasion, 4 Pythons on the second.
What was very interesting though, is that the faction to benefit most was the former controlling faction of each system.
As my faction controlled the systems on both occasions, at roughly 60% and the others were a jumble of %. While working in other systems, a player had gone in and sold a load of Painite (definitely on the 2nd occasion) raising another factions influence at the other outpost over a couple of days. This lowered me enough to trigger War. The former leading faction was way down the pecking order. So I completed the War (to the final day), and sold the data.
The next tick, I take a hit for 7% (7.3% actually) and the former leading faction lifts by 5%, despite not being in the War and no longer owning any dockable asset.
The value of the data sold on both occasions was under 1Mil Cr.
Is something going on with the game mechanics or am I still reading too much in to this?
to me it reads like the sequence, in which the BGS "crawler" picks up actions, and updates the BGS hit you.
similar to ironguts example on the previous pages, where he could get expansion active, expand and a war triggered in one day (e.g.: BGS-algorythm picks up info, sets expansion active, calculates effects of expansion, moves to next system, sets war active, calculates effects of war, sets war active and interrupts expansion).
could that be the case? somehing in the sequence of asset changing, war being not active anymore beside being shown, etc.?
That rather looks like the influence effect has been applied to the previous owner of the station. You did that the last day of war, maybe the stations formally changed hands but the effects do not actually change until the war ends? If this is the case, it should be reproducible.
My bad explanation probably but to just clarify.
I fought with the controlling Fac and won control. Some considerable time later (RL weeks later), I then ended up in this War that I sold the data in with another Fac, and yet as you say it appears that the former owner of the controlling station got the influence.
Same scenario, 2 different systems.
The war state is buggy as it triggers a new pending war if you manage to equalize % on the losing day (normally day 3) with another faction. That way it jumps the 1 day cooldown period and the none day for the next war, shortening it by 2 days.
It only happened in the system that had the prior war though. I haven't seen it done in a system out of the war system.
this needs to be bug reported. reads like a flag not set.