A Simple Solution to Combat Logging

[Simplystyc]

PvP exists simply because players can choose to shoot at anything they encounter in-game.

I don't mean to be crusty Robert, but I don't agree with that assumption. Again, this sounds like you are treating all PvPers as gankers, forcing unwanted PvP on poor Open play PvE pilots.

 

[Sylveria]

Seeing someone menu logging and reporting them for combat logging is just another form of grieving.
Who does that knows perfectly well that FDev has an automated response in place that sends "friendly" emails when a clogging report is received.
The actual cloggers might do that on purpose to flood the system and lower the trust in FDev even more (if that's even possibly)

Indeed. Which is why I call for SERIOUS consequences to be applied to the accuser who randomly accuses others without proof.

Let's take RL examples into account here... you know, those who accuse others of crimes which are later found to be vindicated. Whatever happens to those who started the accusations and prosecutions?

 

[Simplystyc]

If you're so very worried about specific semantics, you specifically said it encourages PvP. The response in context to that was correct, despite you misrepresentation here.

I stand by my statement.

 

[Eliza]

I guess I'll bite because there are many situations where it's an issue.

You attack a player running missions to mess with your BGS, he logs and you can't prevent the missions from being carried out.

Same could be said about powerplay, or a Pirate attempting to acquire cargo from a target.

Perhaps you are trying to kill a notorious ganker, they decide to clog and avoid the rebuy. That's no good because he never recieves any sort of opposition and continues on a mad ganking spree.

The main issue is you pull someone and they clog on you because of a "Unwanted PvP situation". To which I say, if you don't want PvP, don't fly in open play. It's that simple.

What is the old saying? If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen?

To which I say, If you can't handle PvP, get out of Open play.

At BGS or PP I rather want to see someone c-log (not that I want to support it at all), but than they "hide" in Solo/PG. Because as long as I can force him to log he cannot fullfil his mission. Same goes with the G's. As long as they log, they cannot harm miners and haulers. In either way...I count this as a win for me...MY mission was sucessful.

Pity for the pirate indeed, but don't hate the player...hate the game (or it's programming)

 

[Simplystyc]

At BGS or PP I rather want to see someone c-log (not that I want to support it at all), but than they "hide" in Solo/PG. Because as long as I can force him to log he cannot fullfil his mission. Same goes with the G's. As long as they log, they cannot harm miners and haulers. In either way...I count this as a win for me...MY mission was sucessful.

Pity for the pirate indeed, but don't hate the player...hate the game (or it's programming)

I strongly disagree. If the Player logs, they just log to solo. Then they continue on their merry way.

Which brings us to the topic of BGS and Powerplay being Open only, but that is a topic for another thread.

 

[Ezren]

I stand by my statement.

Which one? Your original statement, or the very different statement you claimed it was instead?

 

[Ezren]

The actual cloggers might do that on purpose to flood the system and lower the trust in FDev even more (if that's even possibly)

That's quite a conspiracy theory you've cooked up.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I guess I'll bite because there are many situations where it's an issue.

You attack a player running missions to mess with your BGS, he logs and you can't prevent the missions from being carried out.

Same could be said about powerplay, or a Pirate attempting to acquire cargo from a target.

Yeah, I did understand those are issues, but to me they don't seem to have the impact to warrant the big brooha about it. Minor annoyances, sure.

Perhaps you are trying to kill a notorious ganker, they decide to clog and avoid the rebuy. That's no good because he never recieves any sort of opposition and continues on a mad ganking spree.

One rebuy won't dissuade a ganker either.

The main issue is you pull someone and they clog on you because of a "Unwanted PvP situation". To which I say, if you don't want PvP, don't fly in open play. It's that simple.

What is the old saying? If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen?

To which I say, If you can't handle PvP, get out of Open play.

Agreed, that is the rule.

To be clear, I was wondering why the consequences of combat logging was such a big problem for some. And I still don't really get it, but I blame perspective for that one.

 

[Sylveria]

At BGS or PP I rather want to see someone c-log (not that I want to support it at all), but than they "hide" in Solo/PG. Because as long as I can force him to log he cannot fullfil his mission. Same goes with the G's. As long as they log, they cannot harm miners and haulers. In either way...I count this as a win for me...MY mission was sucessful.

Pity for the pirate indeed, but don't hate the player...hate the game (or it's programming)

You see, this is exactly what was also pointed out earlier- that interference of another player "wins" the game. Either way, the initiate has interfered with those they engaged by countering their move. So what exactly is the point of seeing space pixels exploding that utterly demands immediate developer attention?

Not a thing. Just an assertion that someone else may be 'cheating', but they have yet to fulfill the onus (burden) of proof.

Meanwhile, they flood the Court of Public Opinion with demands of a gavel.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I don't mean to be crusty Robert, but I don't agree with that assumption.

Given that it is not specifically rewarded (and would be vulnerable to exploit if it was - as Frontier found early on with smuggling scan > fine > bounty > exploit), I'll agree to disagree.

Again, this sounds like you are treating all PvPers as gankers, forcing unwanted PvP on poor Open play PvE pilots.

As I said, from the perspective of the target who does not find PvP to be "fun", there's little or no discernible difference.

 

[Sylveria]

That's quite a conspiracy theory you've cooked up.

To be fair- no greater than the conspiracy that everyone who someone is accused of Combat Lagging is purposely disconnecting network cables.

 

[Northpin]

That's quite a conspiracy theory you've cooked up.

not really
there were threads right here on forum when someone was reported for clogging - in realty it was a menu log and the report was a grief done on purpose.
That someone was taken the issue to the heart and was really ed to be accused of clogging

 

[Simplystyc]

Elite Dangerous is a multiplayer game in which PvP is completely optional. How else would you explain Private Groups and Solo?

That's my opinion as well. I never said that Elite Dangerous is a PvP game.

Yes, the rest you have mentioned are also optional features of the game which may also be experienced in both Private Groups (oops... not Open Only...) as well as Open...

Sure, not sure what you are getting at.

Same here?

Oh, what was your point again?

I don't understand your question?

BTW... have you figured out your enlightening response as to how to differentiate between a legitimate versus accidental combat log?

I could try and type my thoughts on the matter, however by your response here and over the past 24 hours, I choose not to.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

As I said, from the perspective of the target who does not find PvP to be "fun", there's little or no discernible difference.

Personally, as someone who doesn't enjoy PvP, the difference is comms.

Usually out exploring, so when I am in the Bubble I often fly around in Open to experience some sweet player interaction. Quite disappointing when the vocabulary doesn't go further than "pew pew pew". It would be fun if there was more comms chatter, and I could talk my way out of situations.

 

[Sylveria]

I could try and type my thoughts on the matter, however by your response here and over the past 24 hours, I choose not too.

So you've got NOTHING. Gotcha.

Thanks for trying yet again. Try not, do or don't do- there is no TRY.

You seemed awfully eager to jump on the bandwagon for someone who has no information whatsoever.

 

[Simplystyc]

So you've got NOTHING. Gotcha.

Thanks for trying yet again. Try not, do or don't do- there is no TRY.

Now who is the one making assumptions.......

Toodles

 

[Simplystyc]

Personally, as someone who doesn't enjoy PvP, the difference is comms.

Usually out exploring, so when I am in the Bubble I often fly around in Open to experience some sweet player interaction. Quite disappointing when the vocabulary doesn't go further than "pew pew pew". It would be fun if there was more comms chatter, and I could talk my way out of situations.

Issue is 90% of the PvP community do not roleplay. They see you, pull you and boom. That sums up their elite experience.

It would be nice if many roleplayed and gave themselves a reason other than, He was there so I shot him etc.

 

[Sylveria]

Now who is the one making assumptions.......

Toodles

Again, you seem awfully eager for someone who has no information to jump on the bandwagon here.

You're really only proving how deficient you really are here. You've not provided a single ounce of information only assertion.

Oh, and do remember, this is a public forum - not a private message. Posterity is at stake.

 

[Ezren]

not really
there were threads right here on forum when someone was reported for clogging - in realty it was a menu log and the report was a grief done on purpose.
That someone was taken the issue to the heart and was really ed to be accused of clogging

Considering any name-and-shame threads would be taken down, I have some doubts that any thread like that could be conducted long enough to come to such a conclusion, multiple times, to the point where you are able to determine it's "on purpose".

Not to mention, just saying these threads exist doesn't prove much, as you didn't provide any reference.

And that does nothing to prove that there's some big, ticket-flooding conspiracy like you claimed.

 

[Eliza]

I strongly disagree. If the Player logs, they just log to solo. Then they continue on their merry way.

Which brings us to the topic of BGS and Powerplay being Open only, but that is a topic for another thread.

For another "Dead Thread" in beforehand as we all know. But I mentioned exactly that in my post that you just quoted.It's "better" that theylog than to "hide". But it's not me to decide. I (We (e. g. my squad)) will deal with it.