A Simple Solution to Combat Logging

It's something of a misconception that the people who create ship skins are the same people making systematic changes to the game's framework.

Also "consideration" to "high priority implementation" is a pretty big jump.

Oh, but of course. But you'd have to agree that a subject of such "import" would be prioritized, yes?

Apparently... it's not such a priority after all.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Oh yes, that's right... so over 9 months ago and nothing has yet been implemented. Or am I that bad at math?

I mean, if it's so important to implement, wouldn't you think it would be done by now? I mean, they've been selling ship skins and other things like hotcakes over the years... surely such would be high priority on their list of implementation?
Over 19 months since the Flash Topic - then, apart from Will's post (which included neither an eta nor guarantee), nothing.

It's no doubt of importance to some players - however it was not a guaranteed change, as Sandro said in the flash topic:
We’re considering a package of tweaks to Powerplay and we’d like your thoughts on them. Note that this is not a fait accompli, just something we’re investigating.
and
Folk can demand whatever they wish, but we are only considering Open only for Powerplay, as we feel it may be uniquely suited to supporting the feature.

In addition, this is far from a done deal, and we're acutely aware of the importance of such a change, which is why we want to get feedback from the user base before committing to anything.
 
They literally igbored clogging reports that has been proven twice as true from SDC back then. At this point what they say or say they are willing to (do) doesn't matter. What matters is what they do about it and during the past 5 years the amount of steps they did is next to zero.
Oh WOW!!! SDC...the very reliable source of "truth and honor". Well...no...I don't want to blame others for their style of playing this game. What makes you so sure they did ignore the reports? Do you have proof? Did Frontier stated officially that they ignored SDC just...because? Unproven accusitions. But wether they "ignored" SDC or not, it doesn't falsify my suggestion, that Frontier isn't ABLE to sanction c-logging properly now. And it doesn't "proof" that Frontier ISN'T working on to sanction it properly in the future. (DLC? Rebuild?)
 
Over 19 months since the Flash Topic - then, apart from Will's post (which included neither an eta nor guarantee), nothing.

So... in other words, OOPP is pretty much a non-subject and diversion/derail of the OT here, which is combat logging?

Yeah, then we come back around to the original question I had which is, how does one determine whether "combat logging" is intentional or accidental?

Torches and pitchforks... Rah, rah, rah! Let's all simply demand something be DONE without providing substantive proof that it's a problem that needs a solution, yes?
 
Combat logging will never be fixed. It to expensive to make a fully automated flawless system. If there are flaws, the stream of support cases will be endless.
 
Over 19 months since the Flash Topic - then, apart from Will's post (which included neither an eta nor guarantee), nothing.

It's no doubt of importance to some players - however it was not a guaranteed change, as Sandro said in the flash topic:

and

Truth be told, it was the worst idea, and the worst flash topic that has done nothing but drive wedges deeper and deeper into an already divided community.
The greatest arguments and most heated debates have spawned of this, and it has done no one any good, and only served to spawn even more division and derision since this ill-conceived notion was mentioned.

I hope very much that nothing of this ever comes to pass, as it will mark the beginning of the end, and I will walk away at that point.
 
Oh WOW!!! SDC...the very reliable source of "truth and honor". Well...no...I don't want to blame others for their style of playing this game. What makes you so sure they did ignore the reports? Do you have proof? Did Frontier stated officially that they ignored SDC just...because? Unproven accusitions. But wether they "ignored" SDC or not, it doesn't falsify my suggestion, that Frontier isn't ABLE to sanction c-logging properly now. And it doesn't "proof" that Frontier ISN'T working on to sanction it properly in the future. (DLC? Rebuild?)

Guess it depends on which meaning you want to go with here:

sanc·tion
/ˈsaNG(k)SH(ə)n/

noun
1. a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.
"a range of sanctions aimed at deterring insider abuse"

2. official permission or approval for an action.
"he appealed to the bishop for his sanction"

Sanctioning sanctioned sanctions is tricky business.
 
...we come back around to the original question I had which is, how does one determine whether "combat logging" is intentional or accidental?

yanking the cable out of the router in an 'oh crap' moment is most assuredly accidental, as you tend to flinch or spin the chair when presented with sudden in game issues, and it's highly likely that cable will be the first to go.

however, a powercut is absolutely a premeditated act of force. Power will never go out by itself, and is therefore a more probable cause of fowl play, take for example a co-conspirator on the end of a radio, he could EMP the local substation so you can keep your 4b Cutter, it's plausible. :cool:

I know I helped the thread considerably!

:love: 🐤
 
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It’s incredible this thread is still going. The entire premise is redundant - as I have already advised, restrictions on combat logging is not something anyone signed up to in the EULA so there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. If FDev tried to force people to play the game when they do not want to, they would potentially face a damaging legal battle. People can complain and call it cheating, but if people don’t want to play with you then you can’t force them. It’s really that simple. My suggestion would be to behave like adults and get over it.
 
yanking the cable out of the router in an 'oh crap' moment is most assuredly accidental, as you tend to flinch or spin the chair when presented with sudden in game issues, and it's highly likely that cable will be the first to go.

however, a powercut is absolutely a premeditated act of force. Power will never go out by itself, and is therefore a more probable cause of fowl play, even if a co-conspirator on the end of a radio, EMPs the local substation so you can keep your 4b Cutter :cool:

I know I helped the thread considerably!

:love: 🐤

Fowl play... you just made my day! ;)
 
Guess it depends on which meaning you want to go with here:

sanc·tion
/ˈsaNG(k)SH(ə)n/

noun
1. a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.
"a range of sanctions aimed at deterring insider abuse"

2. official permission or approval for an action.
"he appealed to the bishop for his sanction"

Sanctioning sanctioned sanctions is tricky business.
Okay...I was not aware of the two-sided meaning of this word in this language...What I meant was the first one. ;)
 
It’s incredible this thread is still going. The entire premise is redundant - as I have already advised, restrictions on combat logging is not something anyone signed up to in the EULA so there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. If FDev tried to force people to play the game when they do not want to, they would potentially face a damaging legal battle. People can complain and call it cheating, but if people don’t want to play with you then you can’t force them. It’s really that simple. My suggestion would be to behave like adults and get over it.
Your declaration does not make a whole thread redundant. However high you may hold your opinion, it is not enshrined as defining all.

Your suggestion is to not have a discussion at all, which makes it curious that you're posting in the thread in the first place.
 
Your declaration does not make a whole thread redundant. However high you may hold your opinion, it is not enshrined as defining all.

Your suggestion is to not have a discussion at all, which makes it curious that you're posting in the thread in the first place.

Yes, my suggestion is there is no point in saying “FDev should do X” as they cannot really do anything. A developer cannot force you to play a game with someone. Once you buy the game it’s your game. Provided you do not breach the EULA, you have every right to play it as you like. My opinion is informed by this fact and my contribution is intended to frame the conversation within the parameters of reality.
 
So, if an aggressor's connection is disrupted for any reason during an attempted gank, the defender is encouraged to blow up the ganker's disabled and frozen ship that remained in the instance when the ganker's connection was disrupted?
 
Yes, my suggestion is there is no point in saying “FDev should do X” as they cannot really do anything. A developer cannot force you to play a game with someone. Once you buy the game it’s your game. Provided you do not breach the EULA, you have every right to play it as you like. My opinion is informed by this fact and my contribution is intended to frame the conversation within the parameters of reality.
I HAVE to counter you, sorry! Only because you bought some kind of data, this game is NOT yours. The owner of this game is Frontier. You only bought the permission to play the game, nothing more or less. If you would OWN this game you would be allowed to copy or alter it.

But, to be fair. I'm also thinking that those hundreds of threads regarding c-logging are only a "road to nowhere" now. Let's see what the future will hold in it's hands.
 
Yes, my suggestion is there is no point in saying “FDev should do X” as they cannot really do anything. A developer cannot force you to play a game with someone. Once you buy the game it’s your game. Provided you do not breach the EULA, you have every right to play it as you like. My opinion is informed by this fact and my contribution is intended to frame the conversation within the parameters of reality.
Well, one would hope you would be fully familiar with the EULA before informing your opinion on it:
3. Licence Restrictions
You are not permitted:
...
(c) use cheats, automation software, hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized software designed to modify or defeat the purpose or experience of the Game;
The parameters or reality are not as you have declared. What is considered "cheating" is relevant to the EULA.
 
Issue is 90% of the PvP community do not roleplay. They see you, pull you and boom. That sums up their elite experience.

It would be nice if many roleplayed and gave themselves a reason other than, He was there so I shot him etc.
Doesn't even have to be roleplay in the style of "Arrrr, I be pirating you!"

Just, you know, some chatting. I'm fine with being shot just because I'm there.
 
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