Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.

[Cpt. KindBud]

I'm a newer pilot on the boards, came back to the game for this community goal. I never really noticed cheaters/ hackers prior in my gameplay. This time around, different story. I haven't logged back on until I heard something from you guys on cheating.

And your reply did nothing to show you were actively banning people, you refer to the EULA. Did that EULA stop them before? I can't in good faith log on knowing I'm going to encounter a hacker... it really just takes the fun out of the game. I'll spend my time on other games, maybe you'll fix the problem. Before people forget about ED.

 

[Arry]

The problem is that skil + engineering OP meta builds also gives the appearance of cheating. That is kinda the issue, that people are not sure whether something is legit or not.

So report the suspects through the normal channels and F.D. will know and deal with; one way or the other.

 

[Alfred J Kwak]

Sorry but i have been monitoring the Powerplay BGS and certain groups that have been relentles in pushing their powerplay faction in to other player faction systems, suddenly grinded to a halt from one day to the other.
Up to the news went public by several streamer , hack tools , bots etc etc , suddenly it stopped and is in more in the line of other normal PP and player factions.

 

[Warmedxmints]

A person was cheating - this we know
A person who was cheating was banned - this we heard

Seems like justice was served.

If said individual was just tired of playing after cheating for months and decided to go out with a bang, or just had a giggle, then what it actually highlights is how bloodthirsty folks here seem to be for justice, enough to call a cheater a hero for being a jerk.

Without the ability to guarantee a cheat free experience, a ban list just serves no real purpose. It might give some a feeling of justice, even if they haven't ever encountered a cheater, but it likely wouldn't create the sense of security some here seem to imply that it would.

So if anyone openly advertises their cheats, they basically reported themselves and they get dealt with. If someone else reports them, they likely get investigated. If they get banned, why do you need to know? They could simply reappear under a pseudonym.

Did you mean to quote someone else? I didn't state the person shouldn't have been banned. If someone uses cheats, then they should be. It is as simple as that.

My point was that if someone is able to play for months without being detected until they make it very public that they are, is that not an example that cheat detection is somewhat lacking?

 

[Crimson Kaim]

Haha, okay, no idea that was possible. It is indeed not directly a security issue, but I see your point. One would imagine something as basic as a 1s cooldown would fix that, no?

No, the bandwidth already reaches 8 MB/s just from the fighter presence, causing enough load for a good amount of people that have 10 MB/s or less to have issues.

Here another proof with me and a mate testing this. Monitor the bandwidth on the bottom left and the resulting lag it causes.

It is worth noting that the only command used here was "attack target" if it hasn't already been doing that thanks to the "defend" command which is default.

This demonstrates how broken the software is in its current state and the fact that cheating is possible with ease doesn't surprise me at all. It mertely confirms my already stated assumption that there is indeed more stuff going on under the hood.

 

[Duc_Mallard]

Go watch videos on youtube and compare.

I'm gonna try keep my interaction with you to a minimum tyvm, all things considered.

I do watch videos on YouTube. I've never seen a pvper post a video of themselves and thought they were cheating. And I seriously doubt you can tell a 15% distro buff from watching it as you claim to be able to do.
I don't understand why you are unwilling to send me proof via private message?
And why "all things considered" ? What have I done?

 

[Arry]

Can you provide some proof for this certainty, and be explicit about what this other impact is?

I think they are saying: Adding a software patch from an obviously 'shady' source, is also risking the possibility of said source, would be interested in taking advantage of their own assets.

Or, it is a matter of trust. How do you trust, someone who is selling cheats, not to cheat you as wall?

 

[Arry]

Just so we're 100% clear here.

I have removed posts that are off topic/trolling and flaming etc.

At no point have I or any of the other moderators been instructed to remove (censor) posts.

In fact in the many years I've been part of the moderating team I've never been asked to do anything like that.

I'd suggest not making comments that you've no proof of in the future.

Thanks.

With all the respect in the world to you.

Sometimes it can be perceived, as being more about the poster, then the post itself.

I am not talking about yourself, or your own actions. I have always seen you. to be honest and fair.

 

[withnail]

Proof that's it's an offtopic post that wasn't contributing to the thread.

That's not censorship, there are a large number of posts in this thread criticising Frontier on this, but they're still there for all to see.

If however posts are insulting others FD or posters or just Off Topic then they'll get removed.

However, Yeah a lot of people are unhappy about this subject at the moment I really do get that, I personally would like to see more transparent punitive action taken against cheaters, but at this moment this is what FD are prepared to say.

Now if that changes in the future then great it'll be good to see those who take an unfair advantage brought to task.

So feel free to continue discussing the subject by all means.

I think that's on topic given that the methods used for this are the same as those discussed in the OP.

Cheating and exploits, particularly using God mode turret boats, have been the death of powerplay.

 

[Arry]

So we are talking about F.D. warning players about the possible consequences of using software patches etc., to improve their /game/ships etc.? Correct?

We are not talking about 'combat logging' or other in game options. Correct? If so, such posts, would be off topic. Correct?

So, I asked this before: Where do we stand, if we use the HUD display changer? I would love to use it myself, but to thick to know how and at the same time. I have never had it confirmed, that it is within the rules, that I agreed to when I signed up, for this game with F.D.

 

[Ian Skippy]

So, I asked this before: Where do we stand, if we use the HUD display changer? I would love to use it myself, but to thick to know how and at the same time. I have never had it confirmed, that it is within the rules, that I agreed to when I signed up, for this game with F.D.

When they added the mission giver NPCs color HUD changes would mess up the NPC faces. When pointed FD worked with us to make sure you could change the HUD without having your npc change into hulks/smurfs. So I suspect they are cool with it.

 

[CMDR Jaimes]

When they added the mission giver NPCs color HUD changes would mess up the NPC faces. When pointed FD worked with us to make sure you could change the HUD without having your npc change into hulks/smurfs. So I suspect they are cool with it.

If they are cool with modifying game files, why won't they simply add a customization option under Graphics with three sliders for RGB?

 

[Voracity_T]

I do watch videos on YouTube. I've never seen a pvper post a video of themselves and thought they were cheating. And I seriously doubt you can tell a 15% distro buff from watching it as you claim to be able to do.
I don't understand why you are unwilling to send me proof via private message?
And why "all things considered" ? What have I done?

Simple enough to work out. Use a timer. You have a mobile phone.

Don't really think here is the place to discuss it. I'll just say that I'm well aware of the drivel on discord from you lot. Have been for quite some time.

I'm not very fond of deciet nor cowardice.

 

[Arry]

When they added the mission giver NPCs color HUD changes would mess up the NPC faces. When pointed FD worked with us to make sure you could change the HUD without having your npc change into hulks/smurfs. So I suspect they are cool with it.

Thanks Skippy, I understand and appreciate your reassurance, but F.D. have never confirmed this and the topic, 'is' about software hacks.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Simple enough to work out. Use a timer. You have a mobile phone.

Don't really think here is the place to discuss it. I'll just say that I'm well aware of the drivel on discord from you lot. Have been for quite some time.

I'm not very fond of deciet nor cowardice.

Just point him to the information he's looking for. Who gives a rip what happens after that?

 

[texasp8]

why won't they simply add a customization option under Graphics with three sliders for RGB?

Because the change doesn't take effect whilst the game is running, so it will look like nothing happened?

 

[Duc_Mallard]

Simple enough to work out. Use a timer. You have a mobile phone.

Don't really think here is the place to discuss it. I'll just say that I'm well aware of the drivel on discord from you lot. Have been for quite some time.

I'm not very fond of deciet nor cowardice.

Regardless what you think of me, giving me a pm showing an example is all I want. Sure, I've called you a saltyboi in a private discord before but I too am not really fussed about that. I genuinely am willing to believe that you can spot a 15% distro buff but I need some proof. And my interest in this is being made aware of these pvpers you claim are cheating all over YouTube. Not some non beef between us. I don't care about winning some argument , I just want to know these pvpers that you can tell are cheating. I also recommend that you put a ticket in to fdev attaching their YouTube channels

 

[slippery]

Who cares! Elite is dying a slow death through lack of support . Most of my friends don't even play the game anymore and this only puts another nail in the coffin

 

[Renegade Bovine]

No the best way is to make it semi offline Solo only, with all the BGS, PP and any other background stuff generated by Fdev and downloaded when you log in but not affected by your activities. That way the only person a cheat can hurt is themselves.

Doesn't help, you can setup a firewall in about 5 minutes to block peer-to-peer connections to other players, effectively turning "Open" into "Solo".

 

[Old Duck]

Maybe the reason cheating is not a "The sky is falling!" issue for me is that there are so many other bugs that negatively affect my game regardless of mode or activity, way more than any cheating. Funny thing is that if I complain about said bugs, most of the people in this thread are quick to defend Frontier and to tell me and others to shove off, but when it's something that affects you, you're suddenly a more hateful lot towards Frontier than I've ever been..