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But then this is different than the usual consumers' approach.
Aegis or Salvation: Who do you side with?
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But then this is different than the usual consumers' approach.
Fdev will win, always. Champions of manipulation. Give both sides the same reward, then you can ask such a questions, Zac.
I work (minimum) only for double engineered anything. That's all. Players have no any influence on future stories.
At the end, from all this overblown Galnet news and CG we have mostly insignificant modules or weapons.
Sirius megacorporation, fourth superpower, bla, bla, bla, is able to offer Detailed Surface Scanner!!! Wow!!!! What an excitement!!!! Wow!!!
Salvation will offer Decals??????? Decals will save humanity!!!!!!! Wow!!!!
I work (minimum) only for double engineered anything. That's all. Players have no any influence on future stories.
At the end, from all this overblown Galnet news and CG we have mostly insignificant modules or weapons.
Sirius megacorporation, fourth superpower, bla, bla, bla, is able to offer Detailed Surface Scanner!!! Wow!!!! What an excitement!!!! Wow!!!
Salvation will offer Decals??????? Decals will save humanity!!!!!!! Wow!!!!
Why is mentioning seismic charges so damn funny around here? I'm guessing I knew at one time and it so boring, I forgot it.
Because you can't use either a Type-6 or a Type-7 for core mining due to a lack of medium hardpoint.
Very good CG should offer next rewards:
One side: Stop crashing the game when everything is solved and I'm ready to loot the whole settlement.
Another side: Give info where to find Smear Campaign Plans.
What would you choose Zac?
But rewards only for 75% of players. It's too painful for Fdev to give such a things to everybody, and then there's nobody for mind f.......
One side: Stop crashing the game when everything is solved and I'm ready to loot the whole settlement.
Another side: Give info where to find Smear Campaign Plans.
What would you choose Zac?
But rewards only for 75% of players. It's too painful for Fdev to give such a things to everybody, and then there's nobody for mind f.......
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Aegis
Aegis is a multinational research initiative that was founded jointly by scientists from the Federation, Empire, and Alliance on August 4, 3303. The organisation's goal is to pool the three superpowers' scientific expertise to gather further intelligence on the Thargoids and coordinate all...
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Salvation
Only Azimuth, under my direction, will be capable of the necessary action to wipe the Thargoid race out forever. If I must be humanity’s salvation, then so be it. — Caleb Wycherley, in Iraxon Lane Azimuth Contract log 5/5 "Salvation" is one of two known aliases (the other being the Witch) used...
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I don't think you're going to get any better than that as an overview, Aegis in particular has been around for years.
This. And while I don't know who Salvation is and what agenda they have, I'm pretty sure
Imagine if Salvation ended up being a double agent for the Thargoids.
Weird meltdown..
Fdevs already said the current story is already written, so of course the most important things are fixed, even if you harass their CMs. What does not mean that we can't influence minor things that ain't too important.
They also started to make special CG modules available for everyone, like the FSDv1 or now the DSSv1. I'm sure they will go on with this. And here's my theory how they'll do it:
Salvation is Li, trying to get a monopoly on AX (on-foot?) weaponry, as well as ingratiating themself with the people, by providing said modules. So he can establish Sirius as the 4th SP. Not sure whether they still also have altrustic motives.
They will make all double engineered modules available for purchase, no matter what happens. Even if Aegis would win now, they could come up with any plot twisting galnet article.
So we can influence happenings in the story, such as how many starports get built or what modules will be available at what point. But not the actual results of the plot. I mean if you're a chef, you don't let your guests come into the kitchen and ruin the meals. That's how companies work.
In any normal restaurant your guests will take a look at menu, with description of food, and then they will make a choice.
Here we have poor menu without any description - we don't know anything about the food.
We have illusion of choice. This is manipulation. This is something what I don't like.
Who said we would be able to make huge storychanging decisions in the current plotline?
We already bought the mysterious special menu by purchasing the game. Noone said how the story would develop before we paid, like in every video game.
You don't get manipulated, you get served an entertaining plot. Novellas/movies/stage plays/etc have the same level of "manipulation". If you want to avoid this, you shouldn't consume any media/information at all
I've been a Dungeon Master for 20+ years. If Elites narrative was a campaign I was running, this CG would be deceptively pivotal with very real player driven impacts.
First the facts
Archaeological Info
Historical Codex
Proteus Logs
Now the speculation
If I was crafting this narrative Ram Tah and Salvation story lines would be the prelude to a full resurgence of guardian AI awakened by increased hostilities in the aftermath of recent uptick in Thargoid aggression and the 7 Martyr bombings. All of the above facts illustrate this is a legitimate possibility.
Aegis has proven itself a good early defense against Thargoids. Technology they helped develop has over the years turned the Thargoid crisis into a protracted border skirmish in essence. They push, we push back. That's been the status quo. Aegis wants the more guardian tech to continue their weapons research using Guardian tech and to further proliferate the availability of guardian weaponry (reduced unlock costs CG reward). It's the devil we know. Versus Salvation the devil you don't know. On the surface, Aegis should appear to players as the safe choice. There are some red flags though.
Red Flags
If I was crafting the narrative. We would be on the cusp of a massive Guardian resurgence which would significantly change the balance of power and calculus of Human/Thargoid conflict. This would be a predetermined outcome however the players in this CG would have a significant impact on the scale and devastation of such a hostile re-emergence.
For example, lets assume the Guardians maintain a connection and level of control over existing guardian technology. What if the that control extends to even Guardian tech modules because our lack of knowledge failed to identify the danger? A Guardian resurgence could like like this:
Backing Salvation, if we accept he's a Cassandra like figure could reduce the proliferation and with his advanced understanding of Guardian tech may make some modules resistant to the initial deactivation leaving the augmented shards cannons a still viable weapon against the Thargoids while a solution is found to restore the other Guardian tech.
In a scenario like above I'd have a million springboards to give players meaningful avenues to explore and shape the story.
That said, my imagination isn't limited my scripting and network speeds so we'll see what you come up with with the tools you have available @Zac Cocken
- We know the guardian society created AI
- We know The guardians/Thargoids encountered each other and were at war
- We know the guardian race was destroyed by the AI they created
- We know several sentinel surface and space locations remain active
- And now from the Proteus logs we know that guardian tech can emit a lethal burst of energy killing living organic matter
Archaeological Info
Historical Codex
Proteus Logs
Now the speculation
If I was crafting this narrative Ram Tah and Salvation story lines would be the prelude to a full resurgence of guardian AI awakened by increased hostilities in the aftermath of recent uptick in Thargoid aggression and the 7 Martyr bombings. All of the above facts illustrate this is a legitimate possibility.
Aegis has proven itself a good early defense against Thargoids. Technology they helped develop has over the years turned the Thargoid crisis into a protracted border skirmish in essence. They push, we push back. That's been the status quo. Aegis wants the more guardian tech to continue their weapons research using Guardian tech and to further proliferate the availability of guardian weaponry (reduced unlock costs CG reward). It's the devil we know. Versus Salvation the devil you don't know. On the surface, Aegis should appear to players as the safe choice. There are some red flags though.
- Aegis admittedly doesn't fully understand Guardian tech hence the need for research
- We've seen how reliance on Guardian tech coupled with misunderstanding of it capabilities lead to the Guardians destruction after their tech gained sentience
- We've seen from the Proteus the consequences of the pursuit of alien weapons technology for both it and its sister ship.
Red Flags
- Background and identity is unknown.
- Sounds a bit like a nutter, think Cassandra paradox.
If I was crafting the narrative. We would be on the cusp of a massive Guardian resurgence which would significantly change the balance of power and calculus of Human/Thargoid conflict. This would be a predetermined outcome however the players in this CG would have a significant impact on the scale and devastation of such a hostile re-emergence.
For example, lets assume the Guardians maintain a connection and level of control over existing guardian technology. What if the that control extends to even Guardian tech modules because our lack of knowledge failed to identify the danger? A Guardian resurgence could like like this:
- Scores of previously unknown guardian sites simultaneously activate including several in Human occupied space
- The activated guardian sites begin to hum ominously until they discharge a pulse of energy killing anything in the vicinity of the site, relics or other Guardian tech. This kills untold millions stressing the super powers ability to respond.
- CMDRs are safe due to radiation shielding in ships/flight suits but quickly realize all installed guarding modules of deactivated and cannot be restored
- Simultaneously still functional Guarding skimmers and fighter drones perform limited first strikes on vulnerable Human/Thargoid targets with the bulk of forces consolidating defenses around their key infrastructure
- Guardian automated factories come online and begin mass producing sentries and fighter drones signally a exponential escalation of danger every moment these factories remain online
- Discover caustic missiles based on Thargoid tech are incredibly effective against the low hull guardian drones leading to a player driven research project for the develoment other Thargoid technology.
Backing Salvation, if we accept he's a Cassandra like figure could reduce the proliferation and with his advanced understanding of Guardian tech may make some modules resistant to the initial deactivation leaving the augmented shards cannons a still viable weapon against the Thargoids while a solution is found to restore the other Guardian tech.
In a scenario like above I'd have a million springboards to give players meaningful avenues to explore and shape the story.
- Hold the line against the Thargoids now that our Guass cannons are kaput
- Enemy of my enemy my friends? Maybe we should take a 2nd go at Thargoid diplomacy. They tangled with these guys before and made the ship loaded with this Guardian crap disappear after all.
- Investigate guardian firmware patches to restore existing tech to a usable state
- Join the front lines against Guardian incursions
- Strike teams to deactivate Guardian infrastructure (Shut down mission at Guardian factory or Space station assault on Guardian communication node using mega ship/ capital ship mechanics)
- Organize rescues. CMDRs are stranded in low star density fringes of space due to inoperable FSD boosters.
That said, my imagination isn't limited my scripting and network speeds so we'll see what you come up with with the tools you have available @Zac Cocken
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Becuase the game gives us 'choices'. If they wanted a railroad, why give us choices? If they want choices, why dangle shiny things in front of us to pull us down a certain path? It's bad storytelling.
Either don't let us have any involvement at all, or turn the story into choose your own adventure. There Fdev, those are your own choices....
lol I'm sure they don't care about your ultimatum. And you don't have to care about their CGs.
The results of your choice is the reward provided by each CG, as it is stated in the description text, before you join the CG. If you think that's boring, you don't have to participate. I like the idea of CGs, even if they don't let people mess with their work too much
Faaaaaaaaake!
I go with the one which offers a decent reward.
As always, the stakes are rigged. First time we can get engineered guardian weaponry, we'd be fools to pass up this opportunity.
What I want to see really is the Thargoids dialing up the pain forcing players to make ever more rash choices- Salvation pops up like the Pied Piper, everyone greets him as the messiah only for him to grab the players balls and everyone realises how wrong they were about him/ her / it.
Its about time FD got crazy with the story.
Its about time FD got crazy with the story.
Sounds like Aegis, we're almost there except for the reveal.
