I've a feeling Vorpx are going to be selling a few copies of their software if FDev don't include a VR switch hidden in an XML file
Allow the VR '2D screen' to be disabled?
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True, but it really is the last resort. It would be a great shame if that were the only way to cajole a very basic VR view out of the game, given the stereoscopic render is supported natively.(Which would offer a far superior experience. Comparatively speaking
).I've never tried it - £34 is a big ask for something with a bad rep. (And there are a ton of games with hacky native support that I still haven't got to yet
)My understanding is that it's basically a tool kit that you often have to apply yourself, with most people relying on defaults that the creator has made for certain games. If no default is made for ED it wouldn't be much different from playing on a large curved 2D big screen. (Some guys seem to find that immersive enough for playing AAA games, but it ain't really VR. No real 3D stereoscopics, no real headlook etc).
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Am I the only one to see the irony in the fact we are even discussing disabling native VR to replace it with a janky third party hack tool? If nothing else, the fact we are exploring this as a possibility shows how strongly we want VR headlook on foot...
I support this as the minimum interim measure pending a full implementation.
If FDev feel they can go a little beyond that with minor effort, that would be a boon.
If FDev feel they can go a little beyond that with minor effort, that would be a boon.
I can understand the reasons for asking for that but it really is vomit city for me personally. I doubt moving via headlook and aiming via controllers would actually be an advantage anyway, or at least no more of an advantage than VR already is in-ship.
You might want to temper that with a bit of this which might be creeping in: https://www.pcgamesn.com/everspace-2/early-access
I don't have a horse in this race, if its possible then go for it- but it may be FD came to the same conclusions Rockfish did and that its too much trouble.
I don't have a horse in this race, if its possible then go for it- but it may be FD came to the same conclusions Rockfish did and that its too much trouble.
I'm not asking for it, so much as acknowledging that there is a near-zero dev budget for VR in the short term.
Headlook aiming is dev. Motion controllers quadruply so. I'm just assuming they're not on the cards.
So the pitch is: Let us see what the current EDO build is like, viewed via the stereoscopic VR render. On the grounds that it could be near-zero dev to achieve. And could provide some gaming or experiential succour
Might free headlook actually function due to the current native support? (Just with the classic 'gun face' downside of the gun arm being attached to your 'face'). It's possible. Would the VR view just be locked entirely to the control inputs? It's possible. Would either option be sub-standard VR, slightly unpleasant to use, and require the player to have their 'VR legs' in terms of nausea? For sure
But like I say, if you could take in a mountain range from the peak, or appreciate an NPC mission giver's dialogue animations, or just poke around an abandoned settlement listening to the creepy sounds, with the world having VR depth. Would that be worth it? As a bridging experience, until a dev budget is dedicated to VR? I'd say yes
I think we're already there, in a sense. FDev have decided that the core 2D game comes first, for now. (Which makes perfect sense, and I'm fine with it). It's a 2D-first game, ultimately, and EDO is too big a step-change to mess up. They've gotta nail the landing and open up that new audience. And any VR that comes will essentially be a 'port'.
I think the distinction from Everspace is that VR was always a novelty for it, with its primarily 3rd-person view, and arcadey stylings. It never had the dedicated 'pilot in the cockpit' audience that ED has. They see 4% fanbase interest. I'd be interested to know what FDev stats are on VR usage amongst the active base. (Certainly the reddit poll finding approx a third of regulars owned a headset was interesting
. And we know HMD ownership is high amongst flight sim fans generally.).I think ED's situation may be distinct from Everspace's. But the future of EDVR is certainly up in the air right now :/
Something that occurred to me earlier but haven’t seen mentioned - the camera suite.
I’ve already being taking pseudoEVAs since I’ve had VR with the camera suite using the slightly janky FPS-style controls on a gamepad (I say janky because there’s no auto-levelling or correct player height on surfaces).
It’s going to be a bit strange if I’ll be able to have fullVR pretend walks from landed ships or the SRV in Odyssey but be forced into flatscreen if I want to play proper legs.
I don’t recall if the camera suite has been confirmed to work in EDO, but at least it gives me a bit of hope that I might still experience the new vistas in full-fat VR - even if it’s just a stand+stare moment while out exploring.
I’ve already being taking pseudoEVAs since I’ve had VR with the camera suite using the slightly janky FPS-style controls on a gamepad (I say janky because there’s no auto-levelling or correct player height on surfaces).
It’s going to be a bit strange if I’ll be able to have fullVR pretend walks from landed ships or the SRV in Odyssey but be forced into flatscreen if I want to play proper legs.
I don’t recall if the camera suite has been confirmed to work in EDO, but at least it gives me a bit of hope that I might still experience the new vistas in full-fat VR - even if it’s just a stand+stare moment while out exploring.
ApprovedHello lovely devs!
This suggestion is based on some major assumptions, but it would be great if it were possible.
Initial Assumptions:
- That the native VR support used for ships & SRVs in EDO functions in Legs mode.
- That the 2D screen mode for Legs can be set to toggle on or off.
Suggestion:
Allow players to set the 2D projected screen to 'off' by altering an option file. (In the same way that players can alter their HUD colours by editing the existing XML file, for example.)
Advantages of this approach:
- It could allow very basic VR access to EDO Legs, prior to full official support.
- Only the most dedicated EDVR players would learn of it and want to try it.
- It's a very clear 'opt in' process, where you can't do it by mistake
- It wouldn't be an officially launched or marketed function.
- It would hopefully require a low level of dev work & support at this stage.
Caveats:
I'm sure there are a ton of other considerations which might conflict with this idea (technical stability, impacts on non-VR players) and so make it a non-starter.
And the experience for the VR player would clearly be very rough, even if it were to prove even partially functional. (It would only work for those with their 'VR legs', would doubtless have real issues with UI, and would be unlikely to facilitate full EDO gameplay by any means).
Reasons to do it:
If this system allowed those of us with our 'VR legs' to take in the scale of our ships from the outside, or appreciate a station NPC 'in the round', or even do some basic exploration using classic controls, this would be a massive boon for the veteran EDVR community. The current pause in access to EDVR content is an unusual circumstance. This unusual approach could perhaps act as a temporary bridge to fuller, official support.
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(PS, if you're considering some no-HUD options for EDO gameplay, that could also be helpful
+1
Yeah my guess is that'll all work the same as with ED core.
It won't allow any foraging inside the social spaces (aside from the hangar), or delves into abandoned settlements, or chance meetings with NPCs, or what have you. But could be good for taking in a dust-blown hill-top view under the blue at least
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)Further to these points, it seems vorpX (or even just opentrack alone) could allow for headlook to be separated from controller aiming.
I'm not entirely clear on the process, but here are some efforts by the SC community that have met with some success:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/lrsyjq/clip_vr_citizen_full_head_tracking_working/
So launched the ol game up after a bit of time gone (missed the fun from the live event due
Not only that, but the motion capture for the body in game was moving along with it!!!
A lot of really crazy things going on in this video, and I still need to do some more in depth diving in the menus and see what they added and what i missed.
i was able to get this stuff kinda working with the help of open track and a few other things in the menus a month or two ago, but this time I didnt even launch or turn on opentrack at all, and SC just worked with full tracking right after launch!!
In theory, if we had the stereoscopic view, we might be able to brew up some similar fixes to various input issues. And all using native support / 3rd party tools, so it wouldn't be a conflict with the ToS or anything.
Having the stereoscopic render view available still feels like a super desireable baseline though. Given the game supports it already.
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What techniques / settings did you use for that, do you remember? (Does ARMA 3 support head-tracking as well? Was it piggybacking on that?)
I used some recommended settings from the VorpX forums - custom resolution & FoV etc. The head tracking independent of weapon direction is an inbuilt feature of ARMA, something you can do with TrackIR and the like or with the mouse after the correct button press. Useful when sprinting for a quick good-look-all-round.
Cool, so in theory ED having that function natively too might be something we can piggyback
I guess the question is whether it would conflict with the VR headtracking in this case? (Given neither SC nor ARMA3 have that natively). But could be a fun one to tinker with if we get that far.