Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner

[Faded Glory]

Jeez what is it. Is the FSS a cherry pickers heaven or a completionist heaven. You guy can't seem to make up your mind.

It's both, obviously. Cherry picking or completionist are simply player choices, nothing to do with the mechanic, and both are made much easier and quicker with the FSS.

And before you take umbrage at me suggesting the FSS makes exploration easier and quicker it's worth remembering that in the first reveal (the two static screenshots) and the first live reveal when the two Adams demonstrated it, they said on a number of occasions that the FSS was designed to be "intuitive, easy to use and quick". And it is.

As to whether cherry picking is bad, I've said before a player would be bonkers not to cherry pick at some level when exploring. Typically for the last three or so years I've done it at the system level, if a system was not particularly interesting to me I simply ignored it and moved on, scanning nothing. You can't do that with the FSS as stars are automatically scanned, and since there's nothing I can do about it I simply chose not to care.

As to the post that started this little side discussion, not much point being frustrated by finding a system with only the 'interesting' bodies scanned, I mean there are still hundreds of billions of systems left.

 

[ThatSmileyGuy]

You take a night class in annoying or does it just come naturally?

Comes naturally. How about you. Does your annoying come naturally or have you learnt it?

Gentlemen, please let's focus on the topic of this thread not insulting each other.

But I'm sure the majority of players would be happy for the FSS honk delay to be reduced

Let's all be honest here, the honk for FSS is nothing more than a little timer before actually engaging FSS can be done. All the honk does now is tell the player how many bodies there are in the system. That said I can't see a reason as to why we couldn't be able to engage FSS right from the get go since we have to fill in the system information ourselves. For FSS the timer might as well not exist. But that's my opinion.

That depends on what you are after. If you use the FSS to only get the system map filled in then the old ADS is much much faster depending on the system. Obviously systems with only stars get filled out at the same speed.

Exactly. Let's focus on the first sentence of the quote. It's all we want. Being able to commit to playstyle we are after. Without impacting anyone else's gameplay.
Regarding times, ADS is much faster in revealing positions but not in revealing system information. FSS is much faster in revealing information about entire system but less so in regards of positions. So there's somewhat of a compromise between two playstyles, should the former be still available. It all boils down to what one is looking for. Either interesting system layout or having Your tag put on every body in the system.

There have already been enough cherry picked systems that frustrate travelers who are 20K LY out and still finding that the ELW or WW is the only discovered planet in the entire system of 51 bodies. The FSS brings that to a screeching halt.

If i'm honest FSS only makes cherry picking easier. I found myself doing that at some point. Visiting a system, checking spectrum for interesting bodies, scanning them with FSS and leaving. With ADS it was much more time consuming.

Jeez what is it. Is the FSS a cherry pickers heaven or a completionist heaven. You guy can't seem to make up your mind.

The way i see it is that FSS facilitates both playstyles.

Still waiting on a proper reason why the FSS is so awful.

I think that author of the post You are quoting meant it's awful for the playstyle we are requesting be brought back. But I might be wrong.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

You take a night class in annoying or does it just come naturally?

Comes naturally. How about you. Does your annoying come naturally or have you learnt it?

Sorry, but I found this little spat rather amusing.

 

[Ted Striker]

I'm just coming back from a break and I'll copy/paste what I wrote elsewhere:

"Ok not for nothing but this FSS is an annoying pain in the butt. What was wrong with honking and flying to the planets? Why couldn't USS be added to that somehow, instead of this weird convoluted system that takes way more time than it used to? Tuning in to these signal sources while looking at that map is even worse than chasing signal sources in a SRV, but at least I can make that exciting by racing and jumping.

Don't even know how to activate DSS yet.

Oh and while I'm sitting there trying to figure things out I'm getting interdicted by pirates."

I don't even know how to use FSS with my mouse. I'm stuck with number pad and it's so cumbersome I don't even want to bother anymore.

We've had advanced discover scanner since 2014. We had a perfectly serviceable system, especially with the planet holograms giving a good clue to what to expect when flying to it. We didn't need FSS. We don't need more tedium added to this game. I love how we can spot USS and surface points of interest now (even if I don't know how to launch probes yet) but that could have been added to the ADS/

Best thing they could have done is make FSS used for signal sources only while keeping the old ADS system for system bodies. But nope they decided to make exploration more tedious.

 

[Stigbob]

I'm just coming back from a break and I'll copy/paste what I wrote elsewhere:

"Ok not for nothing but this FSS is an annoying pain in the butt. What was wrong with honking and flying to the planets? Why couldn't USS be added to that somehow, instead of this weird convoluted system that takes way more time than it used to? Tuning in to these signal sources while looking at that map is even worse than chasing signal sources in a SRV, but at least I can make that exciting by racing and jumping.

Don't even know how to activate DSS yet.

Oh and while I'm sitting there trying to figure things out I'm getting interdicted by pirates."

I don't even know how to use FSS with my mouse. I'm stuck with number pad and it's so cumbersome I don't even want to bother anymore.

We've had advanced discover scanner since 2014. We had a perfectly serviceable system, especially with the planet holograms giving a good clue to what to expect when flying to it. We didn't need FSS. We don't need more tedium added to this game. I love how we can spot USS and surface points of interest now (even if I don't know how to launch probes yet) but that could have been added to the ADS/

Best thing they could have done is make FSS used for signal sources only while keeping the old ADS system for system bodies. But nope they decided to make exploration more tedious.

Tedious is subjective.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

People have given you reasons why they dislike it, the fact you dont get those reasons doesnt invalidate them.

It's the ridiculous attempts to justify their decision which I can't get. Some are just outright lies and others are so bizarre I just dismiss them as they are ridiculous.

I would have much more respect if people were honest.

 

[Riverside]

It's the ridiculous attempts to justify their decision which I can't get. Some are just outright lies and others are so bizarre I just dismiss them as they are ridiculous.

I would have much more respect if people were honest.

Like 'God Honk', or that the ADS honk gives you everything?

I know what you mean Max, but it goes both ways. I appreciate that you try to be clear, I do too.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Sorry, but I found this little spat rather amusing.

Same here. People take this stuff far to seriously.

 

[Schmack]

Tedious is subjective.

Exploration is also subjective. Honking and looking for the tell tale image of the high value planet doesn't equal exploration.

 

[ThatSmileyGuy]

But nope they decided to make exploration more tedious.

As mentioned by Stigbob.I myself like the mechanic. Feels like a proper scanner but I already highlighted that in posts before.

I don't even know how to use FSS with my mouse. I'm stuck with number pad and it's so cumbersome I don't even want to bother anymore.

You can bind it in controls section, scroll down to the FSS and You can allow mouse axis to pitch and yaw, those are somewhere along the topmost options.

I would have much more respect if people were honest.

I'm quite missing the point where people could lie in that matter. We are giving our opinions as to why we would like the ADS or the system auto charting mechanic back. Mostly to cut down the time back to what it used to be. To allow already perfected and preffered gameplay / playstyle. Not enforce but give choice.

Honking and looking for the tell tale image of the high value planet doesn't equal exploration.

Neither does seeking out high value spectrum energy peaks.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

As mentioned by Stigbob.I myself like the mechanic. Feels like a proper scanner but I already highlighted that in posts before.

You can bind it in controls section, scroll down to the FSS and You can allow mouse axis to pitch and yaw, those are somewhere along the topmost options.

I'm quite missing the point where people could lie in that matter. We are giving our opinions as to why we would like the ADS or the system auto charting mechanic back. Mostly to cut down the time back to what it used to be. To allow already perfected and preffered gameplay / playstyle. Not enforce but give choice.

Neither does seeking out high value spectrum energy peaks.

Easy. When people say stupidness like "now you can explore sitting still and not moving around the system". It's just not true and dishonest.

Some will say anything to discredit it. Opinions are fine. Outright lies are not.

 

[ThatSmileyGuy]

When people say stupidness like "now you can explore sitting still and not moving around the system". It's just not true and dishonest.

I can see the point You are trying to raise. That is indeed not true in most cases however.
There are a few systems that can be scanned right after jump out. Should the star not obstruct the view of those in FSS.

 

[Faded Glory]

Easy. When people say stupidness like "now you can explore sitting still and not moving around the system". It's just not true and dishonest.

Some will say anything to discredit it. Opinions are fine. Outright lies are not.

Depends what a person means by exploring. For some people simply scanning a body is what they consider exploration, and in their case it's not dishonest at all to say that they don't need to move around a system to explore it.

Other people consider exploration simply visiting a system and honking it.

You're saying opinions are Ok, but lies are not. They are stating facts as they pertain to their opinions on exploration, and you are calling it lying.

Whether others' opinions on what classifies as exploration align with your own, or mine for that matter, is not relevant. It doesn't even matter whether it aligns with FD's opinion of what exploration is, they are simply giving feedback based upon what their idea of exploration is (or should be), something FD ask for all the time.

Tedious is subjective.

So is fun.

 

[KellyR]

Easy. When people say stupidness like "now you can explore sitting still and not moving around the system". It's just not true and dishonest.

Some will say anything to discredit it. Opinions are fine. Outright lies are not.

Honking and moving on to the next system is exploring in my opinion. See there, that's my opinion so it's not a lie. If you were to say it, it would be a lie because it would be patently untrue, but since I believe it, it's not a lie, but an opinion. After all you said opinions are fine but outright lies are not. An outright lie is when you say something you believe is not the truth. If it si true for you, then it is neither lying nor dishonest.

Disclaimer: The above was a devil's advocate argument. I agree that to me exploring is not just honking and moving on. But it is to some people. And they aren't lying or being dishonest when they say it is exploring. To them it is.

 

[Stigbob]

So is fun.

Which is why "play the games you enjoy" is always good advice even if it offends people.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Honking and moving on to the next system is exploring in my opinion. See there, that's my opinion so it's not a lie. If you were to say it, it would be a lie because it would be patently untrue, but since I believe it, it's not a lie, but an opinion. After all you said opinions are fine but outright lies are not. An outright lie is when you say something you believe is not the truth. If it si true for you, then it is neither lying nor dishonest.

Disclaimer: The above was a devil's advocate argument. I agree that to me exploring is not just honking and moving on. But it is to some people. And they aren't lying or being dishonest when they say it is exploring. To them it is.

That's not what I am talking about.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Depends what a person means by exploring. For some people simply scanning a body is what they consider exploration, and in their case it's not dishonest at all to say that they don't need to move around a system to explore it.

Other people consider exploration simply visiting a system and honking it.

You're saying opinions are Ok, but lies are not. They are stating facts as they pertain to their opinions on exploration, and you are calling it lying.

Whether others' opinions on what classifies as exploration align with your own, or mine for that matter, is not relevant. It doesn't even matter whether it aligns with FD's opinion of what exploration is, they are simply giving feedback based upon what their idea of exploration is (or should be), something FD ask for all the time.



So is fun.

Again, you missed the point.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I can see the point You are trying to raise. That is indeed not true in most cases however.
There are a few systems that can be scanned right after jump out. Should the star not obstruct the view of those in FSS.

Scanning is just a small part of exploration. It's a kin to looking through some binoculars at a mountain and saying you have explored it.

 

[Jaggid Edje]

Scanning is just a small part of exploration. It's a kin to looking through some binoculars at a mountain and saying you have explored it.

More like watching the Discovery Channel about the mountains and saying you have explored it, imo.

That's the reason I dislike the FSS so much. It takes me out of the cockpit to this wierd scanning screen, where the tasks I have to perform are so trivial and repetitive it makes no sense that software isn't just doing it for me. That's not exploration and it is disruptive to my gameplay to boot.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

More like watching the Discovery Channel about the mountains and saying you have explored it, imo.

That's the reason I dislike the FSS so much. It takes me out of the cockpit to this wierd scanning screen, where the tasks I have to perform are so trivial and repetitive it makes no sense that software isn't just doing it for me. That's not exploration and it is disruptive to my gameplay to boot.

I see the scanning screen as a VR overlay, like the galaxy map and system/orrery map.

I like the FSS, but I would prefer it to be in the cockpit and I would prefer the galaxy map and system map in the cockpit too, but understand why they have done it like the way they have.

With the FSS I scan the system, which then gives me options on what to explore. Scanning alone is not exploring no matter what people say.