Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner

Seeing how incredibly important most people find planet sizes and gravitational dependancies, this is definitely the content one should at least put some work into. No ADS.
This is my preference to, but also open to a compromise.

Perhaps unsurprising, a lot of Elite's appeal is purely visual.
Yup, not surprised either.

It is kinda sad that the true content of exploration, what that planet actually is and its physical properties, are far less valued.
I think the real issue is that most of that doesn't really hold any real value in the game apart from credits. You find a Metal Rich planet close to the bubble, you get good credits for those planets, but after that nothing happens. You would expect some enterprising company would be out there mining the place, but nothing happens. That's what I find frustrating. You find all this stuff, but it has no meaning within the game.
 
What about something like that?
Hiding the pictures solves nothing and would be wasted effort - Cherry Pickers are already favoured with the FSS thus that common "excuse" for doing so is effectively moot.

Besides, the "thumbnail" topological map picture in itself is not necessarily indicative of anything. Ultimately, the exact image shown on the topological map is moot but there is a current approach for it and I do not believe it should be changed.

Seeing how incredibly important most people find planet sizes and gravitational dependancies, this is definitely the content one should at least put some work into. No ADS.
Huh? I disagree with the "No ADS" argument in terms of what the OP has essentially proposed. Planet Sizes and Gravitational Dependencies should essentially be already catered for in the Orrery map that FD introduced.

Perhaps unsurprising, a lot of Elite's appeal is purely visual.
The main issue with the FSS is that Frontier seem to have forgot this and concentrated too much on the audio aspect - not everyone has good enough hearing to be able to appreciate/learn the nuances in the audio aspects of the FSS.

It is kinda sad that the true content of exploration, what that planet actually is and its physical properties, are far less valued.
I disagree with the assertion that this information is far less valued - if it were less valued then people would not bother detailed scanning bodies except for bragging rights.

Ultimately, the topological map view is what it is - I do not believe there is a legitimate reason to change it as part of the OP's proposal. If particular individuals want other changes related to the topological map representation then I respectfully suggest creating a separate proposal/suggestion thread.
 
I would love the ability to choose which version of any given feature that I could use.
Old exploration mechanics, engineers old version, pre 2.4 crime and punishment etc.
Yeah, I know I can dream on. But some times I just prefer the old way.
 
I would love the ability to choose which version of any given feature that I could use.
This is not about being able to choose a version of any given feature this is more about adding features that were removed.

Engineers revisions did not remove anything except perhaps some OP balance options, C&P revisions were about dealing with issues with the prior C&P system being not sufficient - nothing was removed by these changes. The mining changes did not remove prior mining features and the exploration changes need not have removed the legacy exploration options either but it did. The removal of the ADS was blatantly not for balancing reasons - cherry picking and actual discovery speed are favoured with the FSS at the expense of other exploration approaches. Cherry Picking was (one of) the most complained about aspects of the ADS yet the FSS actually made matters worse in that regard.
 
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This is only true when the updates are polarised and fail to achieve a suitable compromise.
Such compromise has been proposed in this thread in many forms many times already. I just wish we get any(as in ANY) confirmation that the Dev team have heard this thread and are either taking it into consideration / working on something or simply say no.

Anything.
 
I am sure that they are after they’ve heard all the feedback about how tedious their ‘improvement’ turned out to be.
 
Such compromise has been proposed in this thread in many forms many times already. I just wish we get any(as in ANY) confirmation that the Dev team have heard this thread and are either taking it into consideration / working on something or simply say no.

Anything.
sigh I think that essentially the old axiom of "no news is good news" applies in essence. We have to assume that unless they outright publicly reject the proposal that they are at least considering it.
I am sure that they are after they’ve heard all the feedback about how tedious their ‘improvement’ turned out to be.
Perhaps, but I would not assume that they will address the highlighted concerns in the way that has been suggested.
 
BTW i saw a stream of will trying to FSS and he failed alot and got mad, tells its own story really doesnt it.

Thank you Burke; and Yes I saw that stream as well it was both physically painful to watch and a complete justification of everything I've been trying to say for months. The system is horrible even a Community Manager hates it and gets frustrated by it and he's not even a good player! He can barely use the controls!

As for the rest of this forum so far My biggest concern isn't the widening divide of the player base, atleast not in total but to a degree it is as the gap between those that dislike these changes means that More and More and Still More Players are leaving ED what was once some 12-15 thousand players has hit an all time low between those that like it. Opting to not bother with these trolls and their barely able to post a full sentence of an opinion, argument or counter-argument only to apparently circle jerk each other in an attempt to put their name on something. Meanwhile the system in place weather you all agree or not is widely considered by those that are left to be horrible forcing upon us a mechanic that No One Asked For. Perhaps I am "A day late and a dollar short" to the party in speaking up giving a voice to those of us that remember what the Old ED was like vs just leaving the game.

I will give you that Yes the FSS has added some functionality to a game that Desperately needed it but its implementation was just horrible and left a gap in what was desired, The player base wanted a better, faster and easier method of finding USS and other POI throughout a given system! Instead what we got was a timer for for USS that might as well half the time be on the other side of the ing galaxy because your not going to get it in time instead of being able to find USS that were closer to the player and the type that you wanted like a HGSS.

Further more you trolls that like this kind of mechanic are the reason that ED is they way it is right now and the reason its going how it is. I personally am apart of several private groups, like Mobius, Canonn and various others and my ultimate concern is seeing something like Mobius having some 5private groups with 40k people in one, 25k in another, 19k in another and having No One Online regardless of time or day.

If you want to disagree with me and my opinions thats fine! I welcome you all to challenge preconceptions and make counter arguments till we are all blue in the face I challenge you all to do so, as we are the only ones that are going to be driving ED to stay alive, But you one word, one sentence circle jerking tards that cant even be bothered to do that much should just stop your not helping the bottom line here. ED is bleeding players and unless we the Players and Fan Base do something its going to be RIP for ED I personally hope that this game makes it another 2years without a content update even with all its major flaws and I am hoping sincerly that i will be proved wrong, that we will see a massive update, it will be awesome and all those players will come back but I just dont see it happening.
 
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Im not sure that he hates it, i think the entire thing was an exercise to proove that it was quick and easy to use. It was only being done on a very small system anyway.
 
We have to assume that unless they outright publicly reject the proposal that they are at least considering it.
It is a bit sad but i think i have no choice but agree? However as with Issue Tracker it would at least help if Suggestions section of the forum knew whether a thread has at the very least been reviewed. It is, afterall, suggestions section.
We are one of the bigger threads on the surface too.
Furthermore: now is the best time for this. Since we are about to receive new, revamped "Community Goals" in form of Interstellar Initiatives and keeping in mind that one balance propositions has been to make proposed optional module a Guardian variant of scanner and it has been announced that these Initiatives could unlock new modules it would further make the desired playstyle viable because those who'd wish to play the old way would have to prove/commit to that by unlocking said module.
 
Scanning is just a small part of exploration. It's a kin to looking through some binoculars at a mountain and saying you have explored it.

No Scanning is like Tasman finding Australia and reporting it. DSS is Cook sailing round and landing there.

Both were explorers.
 
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