Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner

[-VR- Max Factor]

I have already said i choose to leave it. Whilst you might say i have made many posts, the difference between myself and Fdev is that i have responded. I could understand if he kept on about it if i was ignoring the question but i am not. At this point its just badgering.

Doesn't stop him from being correct though. As I said, the only way to truely know is to try it out. Your choice though. You could be missing out on loads of fun. You may not be, but you just won't know for sure.

Maybe you are scared of liking it and having to eat humble pie. If you are so adamant you won't like it, you have nothing to loose by trying it out for 30 mins or so apart from a bit of time. I really do not undertand why you wouldn't even try. Makes no logical sense.

 

[amigacooke]

Of course a docking computer that undocks and a supercruise assistant were choices that FDevs were clearly not going to make .... until they made them

 

[Burke]

Of course a docking computer that undocks and a supercruise assistant were choices that FDevs were clearly not going to make .... until they made them

And i can tell you without ever using it that i dont like or approve of the auto undock. They are busy flushing this game down the toilet if you ask me.

 

[amigacooke]

As I said, the only way to truely know is to try it out. Your choice though. You could be missing out on loads of fun. You may not be, but you just won't know for sure.

What insight do you gain by using the FSS that you can't gain by watching a video of someone using the FSS? It isn't one of the most interactive parts of ED?

 

[amigacooke]

And i can tell you without ever using it that i dont like or approve of the auto undock. They are busy flushing this game down the toilet if you ask me.

At least in this case you're not forced to use the new method.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

What insight do you gain by using the FSS that you can't gain by watching a video of someone using the FSS? It isn't one of the most interactive parts of ED?

Because you are not doing yourself. There is a major difference there. I get a lot of satisfaction using the FSS myself. Watching someone else use it gives you a different impression, feeling and perspective.

 

[amigacooke]

Because you are not doing yourself.

You keep saying this like it's a self evident truth. I've used the FSS many a time, but I can't really see what I have learned from that experience that I couldn't have got from watching a video of someone else do it. There's no great mystery hidden within.

 

[Stigbob]

I have already said i choose to leave it. Whilst you might say i have made many posts, the difference between myself and Fdev is that i have responded. I could understand if he kept on about it if i was ignoring the question but i am not. At this point its just badgering.

My point stands, you claim to dislike something and demand changes to the now "ruined" game yet you've never even tried it. You can't expect anyone to take that seriously.

Please dont get mad. We are having a difference of opinion thats all. Just accept the fact that i dont like the FSS.

Why would I get mad ?, I enjoy the game the FSS (and the forum as well).

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You keep saying this like it's a self evident truth. I've used the FSS many a time, but I can't really see what I have learned from that experience that I couldn't have got from watching a video of someone else do it. There's no great mystery hidden within.

Its the emotive feelings it can provide. For some it is sterile, for others it is not. You will only know until you try it. Watching a video will not do that, or not enough to be clear.

 

[Stigbob]

What insight do you gain by using the FSS that you can't gain by watching a video of someone using the FSS? It isn't one of the most interactive parts of ED?

Feel, which are the reason demo's are a good idea.

You also get to argue from a position of knowledgeability "I read on the internet someone else doesn't like it" is a lot less impactful than actual first hand experience.

 

[Stigbob]

Its the emotive feelings it can provide. For some it is sterile, for others it is not. You will only know until you try it. Watching a video will not do that, or not enough to be clear.

I just exploded my SRV geyser jumping on the planet Gods Combover which I recently discovered. I'm going to pop back to the bubble and refit my Anaconda for exploration, this would be even more fun with an extra SRV and some SLF's for red hot canyon action.

 

[Burke]

Watching a video will not do that, or not enough to be clear.

And yet here i am, living evidence to the contrary. Its been expained numerous times over a period of months how it blocks exploration gameplay. Add to that i just dont enjoy the zooming mechanics (im having to repeat myself here) You are continuing to badger because you cant accept that somebody has a different opinion. I would be happy to just agree to disagree but somehow i just dont think you will allow it to drop and will continue ad infinitum until you drive away everybody that doesnt agree with you. That is harrassment.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

And yet here i am, living evidence to the contrary. Its been expained numerous times over a period of months how it blocks exploration gameplay. Add to that i just dont enjoy the zooming mechanics (im having to repeat myself here) You are continuing to badger because you cant accept that somebody has a different opinion. I would be happy to just agree to disagree but somehow i just dont think you will allow it to drop and will continue ad infinitum until you drive away everybody that doesnt agree with you. That is harrassment.

Except you are not. You are saying you know exactly what it feels like to use when you haven't used it. That is not possible. And no I am not badgering. It has nothing about people having different opinions. Its about having an informed opinion which you could have with 30mins of your time. What are you afraid of?

 

[lenna]

They don't have to justify removing it. They don't have to tell people why. They don't need to provide a compelling reason. This is THEIR game. They can do with it what they please.

Actually, this is false - there are things that FD are notionally obligated to not do in both terms of "product description/nature" and their own "product change mandate" that they set for themselves. Removal of support for the approaches to exploration that the ADS facilitated for numerous years is one of those things that notionally broke BOTH constraints (or at the very least their own mandate of adding building on what is already there).

The nature of the change proposed by the OP and supported by others including myself has no downsides for those that enjoy the FSS - even with the proposed introduction of a surrogate replacement module for the legacy xDS there would be no tangible in-game benefits for the new module that is not already given with the initial FSS honk already. It would just allow players the option of exploring via near body scans (as used to be the case) or using the FSS to get the actual tangible benefits.

What FD did by removing the option to have the map auto-populated flies in the face of letting players "play their way" which is what they have being pushing as their mantra for ED for quite some time before 3.3.

 

[Stigbob]

And yet here i am, living evidence to the contrary. Its been expained numerous times over a period of months how it blocks exploration gameplay. Add to that i just dont enjoy the zooming mechanics (im having to repeat myself here) You are continuing to badger because you cant accept that somebody has a different opinion. I would be happy to just agree to disagree but somehow i just dont think you will allow it to drop and will continue ad infinitum until you drive away everybody that doesnt agree with you. That is harrassment.

I'd ask you to explain what you mean by the zooming mechanics and why you think that's a bad thing, but you can't do that with any authority as you've never actually used it. So there's no point.

Maybe you'd be better off accepting that until you try the FSS out your opinions worth less than that of people who have.

 

[Stigbob]

Actually, this is false - there are things that FD are notionally obligated to not do in both terms of "product description/nature" and their own "product change mandate" that they set for themselves. Removal of support for the approaches to exploration that the ADS facilitated for numerous years is one of those things that notional broke BOTH constraints.

The nature of the change proposed by the OP and supported by others including myself has no downsides for those that enjoy the FSS - even with the proposed introduction of a surrogate replacement module for the legacy xDS there would be no tangible in-game benefits for the new module that is not already given with the initial FSS honk already. It would just allow players the option of exploring via near body scans (as used to be the case) or using the FSS to get the actual tangible benefits.

What FD did by removing the option to have the map auto-populated flies in the face of letting players "play their way" which is what they have being pushing as their mantra for ED for quite some time before 3.3.

Cobblers.

Weren't you threatening to go to trading standards last time you were banging on about this. How did that pan out for you ?.

 

[amigacooke]

Except you are not. You are saying you know exactly what it feels like to use when you haven't used it. That is not possible. And no I am not badgering. It has nothing about people having different opinions. Its about having an informed opinion which you could have with 30mins of your time. What are you afraid of?

Perhaps Burke doesn't like the look of it?

I've used the FSS many times and there's no great mystery in the zooming mechanism, in my case I twitch a controller stick and it zooms in or out, just like watching a video. Trying to hide behind the 'you can't understand it, because you haven't used it' argument is really a nonsense in this case.

 

[biot]

Looking in from the outside, I saw that things unfolded thus:

• To support the new content added by the exploration update there had to be a new mechanism that provided the player a means to find existing and new exploration POIs (as well as USS signatures in a system).
• The FSS was designed as the means to facilitate access to this content.
• The process of finding the new content using the FSS required functionality that was a superset of that provided by the ADS (as well as some of the DSS functionality).
• FD removed the ADS.

I wasn't intimately following the evolution of the design during the beta but the above is the impression I formed from the snippets I picked up on. As for why FD took the last step - only they can categorically say why.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Perhaps Burke doesn't like the look of it?

I've used the FSS many times and there's no great mystery in the zooming mechanism, in my case I twitch a controller stick and it zooms in or out, just like watching a video. Trying to hide behind the 'you can't understand it, because you haven't used it' argument is really a nonsense in this case.

What has mystery got to do with it? As to trying to hide behind something, I am not hiding from anything. Burke may well be though.

 

[amigacooke]

What has mystery got to do with it? As to trying to hide behind something, I am not hiding from anything. Burke may well be though.

You're trying to claim that he can't make a valued judgerment on the FSS because he's never tried it. I suggest he can because there is nothing to the mechanic that you can't see in a video.