Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner

[Burke]

That's the point and most likely the reason why the devs don't show up on this topic.

Na they dont show up in this or any of the others because they are rude. There is no way they dont know by now but we simply arnt worth it. We arnt even worth a "no" we arnt the right kind of people to get a dev response. That imo is actually much worse than the FSS itself, the fact the a group of players - paying customers, no matter how small they might be, fdev consider us beneath their notice. Disgusting.

No Scanning is like Tasman finding Australia and reporting it. DSS is Cook sailing round and landing there.

Both were explorers.

Nicely put..

 

[ThatSmileyGuy]

Na they dont show up in this or any of the others because they are rude.

I don't think that is the case.
I've heard that FD aren't the best in communicating with their customers as in Elite players. But i can't help but notice how hard it would have been to respond to each and every thread. I can understand that.
That's quite sad though. However if forums had some automated mechanism of notifying the OP that the thread has been reviewed / viewed that could greatly increase the trust between players and FDev. But that's a subject for another thread, maybe?

 

[lenna]

But i can't help but notice how hard it would have been to respond to each and every thread. I can understand that.

This is the key point many people in the modern gaming community fail to appreciate both in this forum and elsewhere. As a rule of thumb, people expecting a high level of engagement of developers with the relevant community are being unrealistic - generally speaking, that kind of level of engagement will (and should) only occur (in this kind of context) when the given issue/concern is being addressed imminently. To do otherwise would be tantamount to time wasting.

In this particular context, I would expect that FD are perhaps avoiding addressing this concern now due to other (in their opinion) more pressing matters and even if/when they do address the concern any related discussion will probably not happen as part of a thread like this.

 

[Burke]

Well the thing is, there was this thread that we were specifically asked for feedback and questions. Now as far as i am aware there were no responses to any of it but i may be wrong. There was certainly no response to my question. I also contacted them via facebook and i asked not that they answer the question but just some acknowlagement that the question had been asked. I got a response to that which was to ask in suggestions forum, where it was ignored like every other thread. I suspect that reply was handed down to the person who replyed to me. So, ThatSmileyGuy, if you really want a reply i suggest you get on facebook, get on twitter, get on discord, open a support ticket and any other ways you can think of and if you get a reply you can share it will all. I be amazed if you did cause as i said i think its being deliberately ignored. Months ago they could have just said sometihng along the lines of "no we think its great and it wont be changed" a single sentence. Even a single word, just plain "no" could have put an end to this and saved so much bad feeling. I find it very hard to believe that the same people whos "community managemnet" is so good they got an award could really be ignorant of this issue thats been churned over for, what? 4 months is it now?

I think its a case of not liking critisism

 

[ebbrell]

Just let's it go.....no need, accept the change and move on

 

[Riverside]

Changes should be justifiable, or understandably for an obvious reason I suppose

In this case it seems to have been done on a whim. This raises the concern of what else will be changed to the detriment of existing players.

I don't really mind what gets added to the game, but I do want to be able to continue to play the game I bought if there is no good reason (balancing etc) for it to change.

The game is not a better one for the removal of these modules, there was no need to remove them.

 

[Stigbob]

Just let's it go.....no need, accept the change and move on

Controversial but true.

 

[lenna]

I got a response to that which was to ask in suggestions forum, where it was ignored like every other thread.

Just because a specific developer does not respond to a thread in their own forum does not mean the thread has necessarily been ignored.

The reason for specific suggestion forums like this is to help keep the ideas threads focused in a specific area away from generic discussions and there by help with filtering threads related to desired changes. However, just because a thread exists in such an area does not mean the developer in question is either compelled or obligated to respond/react to it within any given time frame.

Whether or not FD will address the fundamental concern that this particular suggestion nominally addresses is an unknown. The only thing that seems to be certain is that it is unlikely to be addressed imminently.

 

[Burke]

Just because a specific developer does not respond to a thread in their own forum does not mean the thread has necessarily been ignored.

I didnt expect it to be addressed instantly, as i said i asked for some acknowlagement that the question had been heard.

 

[lenna]

I didnt expect it to be addressed instantly, as i said i asked for some acknowlagement that the question had been heard.

No acknowledgement should be necessary nor required - posting a thread the relevant forum section should ensure it is viewed and reviewed at some point.

 

[Burke]

Well i feel that it is, particularly after so long. It took a matter of hours to address the drag effect complaints when people made various threats about what they planned to do in response aswell. PvPers seem to get everything they want just from stamping their feet. This change has stopped people playing the game, its not what people paid for any more. The entire situation is just not right. Anyway you keep the faith if you wish i have given up asking and am content to comment from the sidelines now.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Well i feel that it is, particularly after so long. It took a matter of hours to address the drag effect complaints when people made various threats about what they planned to do in response aswell. PvPers seem to get everything they want just from stamping their feet. This change has stopped people playing the game, its not what people paid for any more. The entire situation is just not right. Anyway you keep the faith if you wish i have given up asking and am content to comment from the sidelines now.

That's was because it was pretty much universally condemned. The FSS is not.

 

[Burke]

Simply not true. Universally suggests the vast majority of the player base, they didnt even post. There were even counter arguments in the threads on here, ignored of course. It was a small group of vocal "experts" who decided it shouldnt happen and Fdev gave in.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Simply not true. Universally suggests the vast majority of the player base, they didnt even post. There were even counter arguments in the threads on here, ignored of course. It was a small group of vocal "experts" who decided it shouldnt happen and Fdev gave in.

Virtually universally condemned on the forums with good reasoning behind it. There were maybe one or two that liked it. That is not the same as the FSS unless you are living in fantasy land, which wouldn't surprise me actually with all of your conspiracy theories like blaming the Pew Pew crowd for old ADS removal and me having special treatment from the mods. Very funny it is too.

 

[lenna]

Virtually universally condemned on the forums with good reasoning behind it. There were maybe one or two that liked it. That is not the same as the FSS unless you are living in fantasy land

It was more than one or two who did not condemn the ADS - those that condemned it were only the anti-honk crowd which was far from being even the majority of the community. The ONLY aspect regarding the exploration mechanics that was universal was that some improvement was needed - removal of the ADS was indisputably unnecessary.

Whether individuals prefer FSS to the ADS is subjective and moot, there is a key reason why the ADS should have never been completely removed like it has been in the first place - FD's own declared principle of "building on the past". Removing the ADS also removed options for explorers (with no good reason to do so) therefore FD fundamentally broke their own guidelines in regards to how they implemented the 3.3 changes to exploration mechanics.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

It was more than one or two who did not condemn the ADS - those that condemned it were only the anti-honk crowd which was far from being even the majority of the community. The ONLY aspect regarding the exploration mechanics that was universal was that some improvement was needed - removal of the ADS was indisputably unnecessary.

Whether individuals prefer FSS to the ADS is subjective and moot, there is a key reason why the ADS should have never been completely removed like it has been in the first place - FD's own declared principle of "building on the past". Removing the ADS also removed options for explorers (with no good reason to do so) therefore FD fundamentally broke their own guidelines in regards to how they implemented the 3.3 changes to exploration mechanics.

How can you call it undisputable when none of us know all the information of what's to come in the future.

Nevertheless, your own argument shows the big difference between the two subjects and why Fdev may comment on one and not the other. Thank you for backing me up.

 

[lenna]

Well i feel that it is, particularly after so long. It took a matter of hours to address the drag effect complaints when people made various threats about what they planned to do in response aswell.

That is essentially moot - the "drag effect complaints" are a balancing concern and the "ADS removal complaints" are not. Balancing concerns are not just a concern for PvPers either - they affect everyone that may either engage in or be targeted by combat.

 

[lenna]

How can you call it undisputable when none of us know all the information of what's to come in the future.

Regardless of what is planned for the future, there is no legitimate reason to remove approaches to exploration facilitated by the pre-3.3 exploration mechanics. The FSS and ADS-type mechanics are not mutually exclusive either (or at least should not be - there is no good reason for it).

 

[Burke]

Virtually universally condemned on the forums with good reasoning behind it. There were maybe one or two that liked it. That is not the same as the FSS unless you are living in fantasy land, which wouldn't surprise me actually with all of your conspiracy theories like blaming the Pew Pew crowd for old ADS removal and me having special treatment from the mods. Very funny it is too.

Iv said it before, you just say the first nonsense that comes into your head. Let other people correct you i find it tiresome.

That is essentially moot - the "drag effect complaints" are a balancing concern and the "ADS removal complaints" are not. Balancing concerns are not just a concern for PvPers either - they affect everyone that may either engage in or be targeted by combat.

At risk of going OT here but it was balanced. Anybody could use it. Im not going to pretend im an expert at PvP but there were a few posts saying leave it in and play with it for a bit. Certain voices had a meltdown over it and so it was removed. I think there is a cronyism problem with frontier and whos feedback gets listened to in all honesty.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Regardless of what is planned for the future, there is no legitimate reason to remove approaches to exploration facilitated by the pre-3.3 exploration mechanics. The FSS and ADS-type mechanics are not mutually exclusive either (or at least should not be - there is no good reason for it).

There is good reason for it as far as I am concerned and whether there is good reason or not is down to Fdev. Personally the major reason for me is that it is now redundant.