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Agree 100%.
I'd like to point out that there are more choices for cargo racks (types, not sizes) than there are for exploration equipment.
Let that sink in.
More CARGO RACKS than optional exploration tools.
Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner
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Agree 100%.
I'd like to point out that there are more choices for cargo racks (types, not sizes) than there are for exploration equipment.
Let that sink in.
More CARGO RACKS than optional exploration tools.
You're like Burke. You've never done it. Zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out. Put in all the effort you want to craft ways to avoid doing that.. run in fear from it. Doesn't matter. You'll still have to zoom in and zoom out multiple times over and over again in many situations. Unless you stop caring about the system, become disinterested and move on. That's a tough one and an unreasonable call for many people i think.
I am on DW2. I use the FSS everytime I play. If anyone describes in as zoom in zoom out, zoom in, zoom out, then I would hazard guess that they have never used it unless they are zooming in and out of the same planet as you need to do something else to zoom into another planet. Or have you not used the mechanic at all?
Saying that is all you do in exploration is dishonest. There is more to it then that.
Or I could describe the old style of exploration as, honk, honk, honk, honk using the same flawed logic.
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What does the picture of Picard have to do with my post?
The Queen of Munitions.Unless that thread is about Drag Munitions.
So I lost you by not using the argument you just described? You lost me, because in older discussions other people argued about technology in 3300? I said nothing about tech in 3300. Please be so kind when quoting me to react to what I wrote.
Luckily that's just your perception, and nothing like what I actually describe. I'll be a sport and quote it again. You will notice no mention of tech in 3300, nor simplification of any kind, since it's more inclusive than the method we have now. Also notice the phrase "among other things" which I explicitly put there to avoid the sort of pigeon holing you're doing:
I'm interested (among other things) in vistas. And the best way would be to determine via the ADS whether a system potentially hold something of interest. If so, use the FSS to get information like orbital periods and such. Use the orrery to determine potential eclipses (can't be done with ADS)
What I did describe is a logical way to explore a system, by zooming and focusing in on a continuous smaller scale and larger detail, using the strengths of the tools we're discussing. A perfectly good way to investigate. Starting by investigating the system (ADS system map & orrery map), to investigating the planets (FSS & orrery map) to investigating planet surfaces (probes & SRV). This method isn't limited to the so called tourist explorer, but is viable for all kinds of exploration. Including trying to find outliers in planet masses or investigations into Stellar Forge system creation. So the type of explorer you happen to malign is irrelevant.
If you have any comments on that, I'll be happy to discuss it.
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What exactly?!
I wasn’t being deceptive, that was simply my experience of the new system. Are you just talking about the fact I omitted adjusting the scanner? I just thought that part was obvious to anyone reading...
I jump in, I honk. I find a few stars...
I open FSS and I then have the choice to go after ELW’s/WW’s for profit and fame or sweep the entire system in the hopes of finding something new...
If there’s a gas giant I feel obliged to scan it’s moons (zoom in/out multiple times), some of the most unusual stuff in the game has been found on these little bodies (guardian ruins etc).
This all takes time and gives me a headache.
Look, I know I attempt to put a comedic spin on some of my posts and I guess that’s not appreciated by some people here who are pro-FSS. But I genuinely do not enjoy the new system and if I don’t say something here I basically have to give up exploring in ED.
Except it can't be unless you are standing still zooming in and out at the same planet. It's no different to me saying my experience of the old ADS/DSS style exploration was honk, honk, honk, honk, honk, honk, honk, honk, honk, honk.
So now you are looking at information and making an informed decision on what you want to do, so a lot more then zoom in and zoom out. Anything else you do before zooming. Maybe looking for the signals in the FSS.
Thats one way of doing it. You can scan the gas giant and then fly out to it to auto scan the moons. Your choice.
Why would something that takes time give you a headache?
Nah, comedy is fine. Needs to be funny though.
If you don't enjoy it, thats fine. But don't give inaccurate descriptions to justify it. You don't need to justify it.
"This all takes time and gives me a headache. "
It takes time.
It gives me a head ache.
One does not have to be the result of the other. It can be 2 occurrences occurring at the same time.
It takes time.
It gives me a head ache.
I try not to do this when im self amputating slowly slice by slice my love for elite..
But I know what people are talking about when mentioning head aches, if you use it quickly it’s almost certain to cause motion sickness because the entire screen changes in a long swish when zooming.
But I know what people are talking about when mentioning head aches, if you use it quickly it’s almost certain to cause motion sickness because the entire screen changes in a long swish when zooming.
In all of this I missed the most interesting bit of information
Reached Beagle Point yet?
What are you flying?
Did you take part in DW?
Reached Beagle Point yet?
What are you flying?
I did take part in DW.
I have not reached Beagle point yet in DW2.
I am flying a Krait Mk2 with a 41ly range, a SLF, shields, weapons etc. I like to be prepared.
Similar here. I use SLF for surface flying. Taking these small ships for a canyon fly-by is the most fun You can have whilst being on a planet.
Getting close to the Abyss now. I have a range of 41ly. Should be plenty, but I have plenty of jumponium that I have gathered up in my travels.I envy you
We're you at? Crossed the Abyss yet? What's your jump range?
The answer is in the post You quoted
Max, since You are an advocate of mutual exclusivity how would You see the system in which having equipped map charting module :
FSS is used only to plant a "discovered tag on a body".
FSS scan does not include any information nor does it provide credits or provides very limited amount of these.
Actual composition data, surface temp and all other advanced scan information is revealed only upon completing surface scan using probes.
FSS is used only to plant a "discovered tag on a body".
FSS scan does not include any information nor does it provide credits or provides very limited amount of these.
Actual composition data, surface temp and all other advanced scan information is revealed only upon completing surface scan using probes.
Asked because the best time I had was being completely stuck in the Abyss with a T-6, 27 LY range. When you're 80KLY from civilisation and can't find a route back to denser clusters. We can talk about immersion all day long, but I was genuinely freaking out
Well, in my defense, I am a moron.The answer is in the post You quoted
I remember the first time in my Keelback. I think I had something like a 27ly range. It was tough and I needed jumponium for that. Was great fun working out the route though. It actually makes me wish the jump range shouldn't have gotten so high.Asked because the best time I had was being completely stuck in the Abyss with a T-6, 27 LY range. When you're 80KLY from civilisation and can't find a route back to denser clusters. We can talk about immersion all day long, but I was genuinely freaking out
Asked because the best time I had was being completely stuck in the Abyss with a T-6, 27 LY range. When you're 80KLY from civilisation and can't find a route back to denser clusters. We can talk about immersion all day long, but I was genuinely freaking out
When I first visited Beagle Point it was in the Corvette (19ly Jump range), I travelled up the Carina arm anti-clockwise & Beagle point was just at the end of that arm. I had to do a lot of manual jumps with jumponium (it took me 3 months to travel the last 2,000ly unassisted), the actual systems I jumped through were very much of secondary interest compared to the challenge of reaching the target system.
On my return I backtracked nearly 15,000ly to avoid crossing the abyss, I figured there was just no way I'd get my lumbering tank across that gap.
Later I returned to Beagle point (and beyond) in a 64ly Conda acting as support truck for a buddy, initially in a sidewinder then he gave up & suicided (for shame, I could not do that), I waited for him while he fast-tracked back out to my location in a T-6 and we crossed the abyss together, both plotting a disappointingly straight line. Again reaching the destination was the challenge, more important than the actual systems, which were just the icing on the cake.
Time to scan a system is as nothing compared to time to travel to the system and return.