Amazing player interactions outside of community goals

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

What the op shows is that open only powerplay would make this the norm. Not the exception. Which would do wonders for powerplay and the game as a whole

That's some strong claim that would require equally strong evidence.

I think you don't realize how much people hate forced things. Open should be a choice. Let's make it a default choice for those who in doubt. Changing mechanics really won't work that way.

It is quite clear FD understands that with latest proposal.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

That's some strong claim that would require equally strong evidence.

I think you don't realize how much people hate forced things. Open should be a choice. Let's make it a default choice for those who in doubt. Changing mechanics really won't work that way.

It is quite clear FD understands that with latest proposal.

See screenshot by op.

 

[Speedcuffs]

What the op shows is that open only powerplay would make this the norm. Not the exception. Which would do wonders for powerplay and the game as a whole

Wrong, assumption.
I'm all for OOPP.
It won't make this the 'norm'

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Wrong, assumption.
I'm all for OOPP.
It won't make this the 'norm'

More common then. Semantics honestly.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

See screenshot by op.

That screenshot is from current version where PP is fully optional.

You were saying?

You are trying to make grand claims despite screenshot and description showing people *willing* to engage in PvP having good time.

So basically it was player *choice* to do so. They weren't forced.

 

[Grey Seattleite]

That's some strong claim that would require equally strong evidence.

Not going to get drawn into the whargarble anti-Open-PP arguments going on here, but jesus... I'm not sure you can ask for much better evidence than this video. Our PvE (Open only!) hauling players were even involved in all of this, mostly running the gauntlet while people interdicted to defend them.

As it turns out, the only people not in Open were some of the Imperial players who chose to log into solo and private group to attempt to oppose our expansion while their factions' PvPers died in Open. Funny how that works... if our PvPers had lost, our haulers would've died (we don't swap to solo or pg), and their private group / solo underminers probably would've successfully opposed us. Meanwhile, their PvPers (sometimes narrowly) losing these fights seemed to have little effect on their undermining speed. Open Only would at least level that playing field of cause and effect. Commanders who can't deal with what even Frontier says Power Play represents shouldn't be in Power Play hotspots.

 

[Speedcuffs]

More common then. Semantics honestly.

Eh? If players want to do this, surely they're already doing it?
If players don't want to do this, forcing a situation isn't going to change that.
It's a shame, this was a good thread to advertise the merits, the gameplay, the fun, of doing things in open. It would probably have enticed more players to do it.
But 'open only' gets a mention. And it all ends up going down the usual path.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

That screenshot is from current version where PP is fully optional.

You were saying?

You are trying to make grand claims despite screenshot and description showing people *willing* to engage in PvP having good time.

So basically it was player *choice* to do so. They weren't forced.

Powerplay goin open only would still be fully optional pal.

So it would still only be folks willing. Player choice never goes away, it would just eliminate a path of least resistance which has no place in Powerplay to begin with. Rather than some powers advocating pg and solo they'll have to advocate smart builds and becoming a better pilot.

If powerplay goes open only the only way to compete for high value targets will be like you see in the op. And that is undeniably better for the game than measuring the actions of ghosts.

Eh? If players want to do this, surely they're already doing it?
If players don't want to do this, forcing a situation isn't going to change that.
It's a shame, this was a good thread to advertise the merits, the gameplay, the fun, of doing things in open. It would probably have enticed more players to do it.
But 'open only' gets a mention. And it all ends up going down the usual path.

Sadly many folks who want to do it gave up long ago because of solo and pg.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Yeah as I Open player I am saddened by such advocacy - you are so clinged on EvE mentality despite all technical and mental differences between games. No, forcing it isn't a choice and you know it. If someone can't accept it - well, there's tons of direct PvP games out there. ED is just not one of them.

 

[verminstar]

Eh? If players want to do this, surely they're already doing it?
If players don't want to do this, forcing a situation isn't going to change that.
It's a shame, this was a good thread to advertise the merits, the gameplay, the fun, of doing things in open. It would probably have enticed more players to do it.
But 'open only' gets a mention. And it all ends up going down the usual path.

It started well, but ye the open only argument has a fairly predictable result ^

 

[Axle Reese]

Participating in PowerPlay is a choice. No one would be forced to play in open if they don't want to. But hey, there's a whole thread or 20 about this topic over at focused feedback, so why rehash it here?

 

[VR Murgle]

See screenshot by op.

Made when OOPP was not a reality, proving there is no necessity.

 

[VR Murgle]

Not going to get drawn into the whargarble anti-Open-PP arguments going on here, but jesus... I'm not sure you can ask for much better evidence than this video. Our PvE (Open only!) hauling players were even involved in all of this, mostly running the gauntlet while people interdicted to defend them.

As it turns out, the only people not in Open were some of the Imperial players who chose to log into solo and private group to attempt to oppose our expansion while their factions' PvPers died in Open. Funny how that works... if our PvPers had lost, our haulers would've died (we don't swap to solo or pg), and their private group / solo underminers probably would've successfully opposed us. Meanwhile, their PvPers (sometimes narrowly) losing these fights seemed to have little effect on their undermining speed. Open Only would at least level that playing field of cause and effect. Commanders who can't deal with what even Frontier says Power Play represents shouldn't be in Power Play hotspots.

All of this proves that there really is no need for Open Only Power Play because if powerplayers really wanted they could do this all day every day.

 

[Oopsie Daisy]

Tick night in the Felicia Winters expansion of Capo proved to be an intense gauntlet as a 40 player fight broke out. It's been over a month since FDev released their focused feedback in regards to Open Only Powerplay and we have not heard anymore updates from them. This game would be so much better if fights and situations like this were more common with open only.

How was the lag?

I would love to participate in something like that, if there was some point to it other than racking up rebuy costs.

 

[CMDR Relick]

From what the OP said, there's no reason to restrict PP. It looks like everything is working out on it's own. Those people who were duking it out were there because they wanted to be there, doing that. Drop some players not interested in PvP into the mix, and you reduce the enjoyment overall. Let peeps play the way they want. It works.

Except it really doesn't. People use PG and Solo to AVOID these sorts of operations, making them sort of moot all together...

It's called having a discussion. Also: Don't tell me what to do.

Ah sorry, I must have mistook the absolute statement you opened with as not wanting to have a debate.

 

[CMDR Relick]

This here!

OP..you didn't have PPOO...and you guys had a great time...this just seems like the PVP people needing to get together and play how they want...leaving the rest of the playerbase to play how they like...

And your screenshot shows 17 people....not 40.

There were other fights in other instances, and with the way instancing is I doubt everyone in that particular instance being displayed was actually on his scanners at all. We had over 20 people in voice, and so did the 13th. And when "the rest of the player base" abuses Solo and PG to do PP things where they can't be interfered with...

 

[CMDR Relick]

It certainly can be the norm...if you all made it the norm...rather than force people to stop playing PP (which is the outcome of PPOO). When the PVE players leave PP, it leaves you guys to grind out more and more....so PPOO will bring about more forced PVE for the proponents. Simple maths here.

It's funny you say that, as there are WAY more people (so I've heard) here on the forums that advocated for OOPP than not, and the Empire and Federation HAVE come to as close as agreeing as possible that both sides will stay in Open, but instancing and accusatory statements leave everyone wondering how systems keep getting pushed when wings sitting in SC all day never see another soul.

That's some strong claim that would require equally strong evidence.

I think you don't realize how much people hate forced things. Open should be a choice. Let's make it a default choice for those who in doubt. Changing mechanics really won't work that way.

It is quite clear FD understands that with latest proposal.

Power Play is a choice. EZ PZ

 

[CMDR Relick]

All of this proves that there really is no need for Open Only Power Play because if powerplayers really wanted they could do this all day every day.

People seem to not understand that the entire concept of OOPP is so that factions can be SURE that it's instancing, and not PG/Solo abuse, that is the reason they are not seeing the CMDRs in systems when they can see the results ticking up.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

but instancing and accusatory statements leave everyone wondering how systems keep getting pushed when wings sitting in SC all day never see another soul.

Because game was never built to *guarantee* you will meet *everybody* playing in Open.

Seriously, case closed.

 

[Sugarat]

It beggars belief the response of some members of this forum to a post about consensual PvP..

And that so many rail against a proposal, FD's proposal, to make PP Open only.. Which, if adopted, would finally after 3.5 years give a means to meaningful PvP that doesn't need to be orchestrated..​