LOL. So you tell me it is about settling some scores on meta game? Just to do considerable change in game on this claim alone?
Also it is not PG/Solo "abuse", it is legit gameplay.
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LOL. So you tell me it is about settling some scores on meta game? Just to do considerable change in game on this claim alone?
Also it is not PG/Solo "abuse", it is legit gameplay.
No lag. Point is to have fun...
Except that it's not? How can you say something like that with so many people fielding an opposing view? Who cares what it was "built for." It's the fact that people intentionally hide in Solo and PG to avoid conflict in a system that's literally the game's only PvP flag other than being wanted or having cargo.
Yeah, hiding from your enemies in a game mode you can't be found in sure sounds legit to me. PP is a choice, why do you even care? Do you PP? Do you want this not to happen so you can continue hiding?
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Its yer own attitude that some could take offence to...nobody is hiding in another mode, they are merely choosing who they play with. Why is that choice a bad thing and seen as hiding? Thats actually how it was designed to work in the first place.
Ye know, in the beginning I actually supported the whole ppoo deal...thing is, the more I see these debates keep springing up and certain elements just loving tring to inflame arguments by using taunts like ¨hiding¨...thats actually pretty sad and pathetic considering how many arguments have been caused simply because of the immature and childish name calling.
Which is another way of saying Im not too sure my answer would be the same now, if thats the typical attitude of those we are likely to be dealing and potentially playing with if ppoo goes ahead. It was that level of petty nastiness that put me into solo play in the first place.
Why not allow yer brain to engage before opening that hole under yer nose next time?
I understand you desperately want to shoot people who don't want to be shot at. What I don't understand is why? What is it that makes you want to inflict you play-style unto others for no good reason.
Is it? Because I sure as hell won't have fun serving as your content.
Meaningful PvP just took place, didn't you read the OP?
Then powerplay isnt for you. And thats ok. Hopefully fdev follows through on the open only proposal for powerplay to end pg/solo abuse
Oh, I'm not in the slightest bit interested in Powerplay but making it open only would set a dangerous precedent, the mere suggestion has already inspired certain people to suggest open only BGS.
Oh no! Not a dangerous precendent! Whats next? Making more parts of the game work as intended? How truly aweful. Fdev already stated they wont consider open only for bgs. So your reasoning holds no merit.
I did..
Perhaps if you were more interested in Powerplay then you would better understand how it would benefit from going Open Only..
And (some) people were suggesting BGS be Open Only long before FD proposed OOPP.. FD have stated BGS won't be going that way, the slippery slope argument is a non starter..
Perhaps if powerplay were actually fun I'd be more interested.
And there was a time when FD insisted that all modes were equal so I think there's some merit to my argument.
No. They never said all modes are equal. They said all modes are equal choices. Its literally impossible for all modes to be equal anyway.
Ah what the hell, I'll get sucked in.
Solo/PG abuse (perfect terminology, honestly) seems to lead to this mindset. There's a belief by players who are abusing the system that they should be able to do anything in the game, at any time, that affects the game in any way for any number of people, without those people having counter-play opportunity. Hauling more in your own private group is not counter-play or PvP any more than No Man's Sky was a multiplayer game at release. Saying "let the haulers abuse solo/pg while everyone else just PvPs in Open for fun" is not the foundation for a gameplay mode, and many Power Play factions are already effectively dead as a result. Many of those players now go to community goals to kill anything that moves out of sheer boredom... including a large number of people who were involved in Wednesday night's big battle.
As an example of counter-play value in OOPP, even a newer player in a sidewinder can potentially stop an unarmed hauler from hauling efficiently: you can repeatedly interdict the hauler until they win the interdiction, or call in friends to interdict you back, or (god forbid) arm their hauler and force the sidewinder to leave via combat. Whatever the outcome, even a newer player without the monetary resources to oppose a gigantic hauler by hauling can affect PP substantially!
Kinda why FD have proposed a revamp that includes OOPP..
Is it too much to ask for me to be able to play a game where the people who don't want to play with the significant majority can't mess with the game?
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No it's not too much to ask.
It's simply that ED isn't that game.
It was sold to millions of players as a shared galaxy that they could choose how they interact with.
Your wanting the game to be something different doesn't trump their right to carry on playing the game they bought.
Oh I didn't realize frontier sold a special edition of the game with no open play in it.
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wow can you imagine if powerplay was open only.
What FD did wrong was to implement PP for Solo / PG in the first place. Can you imagine if they removed Engineers from Open, just to make perfect balance for PvP... you know... make it 100% skill-based?
Of course, that will not happen... but it would be equally bad if they removed PP from Solo / PG players. It is a feature in the game that a lot of people enjoy without the direct PvP.
Best thing here would be to keep PP as is, and introduce something different, which will then be Open only. What that thing would be... I have no idea, but I think they could come up with some interesting system that would give PvP:ers what they need and want; a meaningfull way to pick sides and do proper PvP.
Err... one small correction. What they should have done is made two separate "Open" universes to begin with- PvP and PvE. Then we'd no longer have the bickering.
Two mutually exclusive playstyles will never co-exist with each other. Ever. That's why most games have them separated. Either with a "flagging system", or a completely separated "area".
Frontier made the mistake in thinking they could be the "evolutionary developer" here, and it turns out it was disastrous. Hell even the much touted "War Mode" in WoW's BfA is still just a self-flagging system. No game developer has ever figured out how to make it work, not even CCP where in EVE- where they still bicker about "High Sec population".
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