While I loathe open ffa KoS gameplay and think it has no place in Elite, is detrimental to the gaming experience and community and should be done away with for good, I think that if PvP has a place in Elite then it's during CGs. Any PvP.
An Experiment in Open - Community Goals
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While I loathe open ffa KoS gameplay and think it has no place in Elite, is detrimental to the gaming experience and community and should be done away with for good, I think that if PvP has a place in Elite then it's during CGs. Any PvP.
Agreed, both are symptoms of the same malady: the hilariously lopsided C&P system that ED currently flounders under.
All of this, and worse, was predicted to happen in Open years ago. The DDD forum was no stranger to such warnings and yet prophetic words went unheeded.
FD are now faced with a right royal mess to try and clean up, a mess entirely of their own creation, and they are going to have to push a few noses out of joint in order to accomplish that. The Karma system might help but FD are going to have to make crime pay if punishment ends up becoming a thing (which it currently isn't).
C&P won't help on combat logging unless you include combat logging in the things that need to be punished.
Hi Mr. Jones you seem to be looking for me!
First of all thank you for posting this, since my shadowplay did not work and I unfortunately did not get a recording of our little tango. I must say, I'm very happy that you did not log, alot of people would and you should have all the respect for stinking with your own mistakes.
You seem to want a reason for why I killed you, and there are several. First of all I am a space terrorist, and you just helped my cause, of spreading terror. Secondly I saw a cutter bringing his own shields down, and decided to go for it, this does not actually happen everyday, it must be because we are entering a magical time of the year or something. Third reason and main reason it was alot of fun and I surprisingly enough play this game to have fun. I don't care about your videos where you try to make combat advice, or your vid where you try do discuss both sides of cheating. You said you love PvP but still you seem to get a little angry about your imaginary space ship getting blowen up. And this was just as mutch PvP as a arranged 1v1 untill 50%hull(I'm guessing thats the kind of PvP you like?). People are unpredictable and thats one of the very interesting things with open play, but still you seem to think that I was being a little to unpredictable for your taste here? Funny thing also is that since your imaginary space ship gets blown up, you break clear forum rules where you name and shame. If I were to post a video of a cheater what you think would happen? Everything about this kill was legit, and still here we are. And for crime and punishment, what kind if punishment do I deserve? A rebuy? Cause I actually got that, did you grief me? Should I be angry about that my imaginary space ship exploded? This is the sort of engagements where I should actually be rewarded, if this had some real PvP mechanic's (like eve for example), I would be rewarded for killing one of the toughest ship in the game. Cutters are near indestructible, even more so 1v1 with a fdl. (And yes this was a 1v1, it was me vs you)
Ok enough about that, over to your evaluation. In GCI (a community center for all pvpers) we do evaluation of peoples performances in PvP engagements and here is yours: 1. you ram the station with with 0 pips shield, this can happen to everyone ofc but in your video I can clearly see that your about to hit the station long before you actually do witch means you had alot of time to move your pips. No harm done yet. 2. you start panicking cause you notice that someone is ramming you, well you have alot of hull and you keep trying to dock, this is the right choice, because if you boost away from the station I would have planted you, get the kill and got away. 3. You notice that i start shooting you and your hull starts going down pretty quick, and here is your critical mistake, you start pulling up as if you were in a agile fighter an were going to make it out of the station again, if you were to just continue in your path and dock you might have made it with 15% or less hull. And then the story would have been very different, you would have had a good laugh about that stupid fdl that tried to kill you inside the station and you would have had a interesting experience that you came out on top of. But alas you did not have the skills or the nerves to do so. You get a 2/10 and your reward is a 12 mill++ rebuy.
Love JohnRaanes, loyal player since 1985
First of all thank you for posting this, since my shadowplay did not work and I unfortunately did not get a recording of our little tango. I must say, I'm very happy that you did not log, alot of people would and you should have all the respect for stinking with your own mistakes.
You seem to want a reason for why I killed you, and there are several. First of all I am a space terrorist, and you just helped my cause, of spreading terror. Secondly I saw a cutter bringing his own shields down, and decided to go for it, this does not actually happen everyday, it must be because we are entering a magical time of the year or something. Third reason and main reason it was alot of fun and I surprisingly enough play this game to have fun. I don't care about your videos where you try to make combat advice, or your vid where you try do discuss both sides of cheating. You said you love PvP but still you seem to get a little angry about your imaginary space ship getting blowen up. And this was just as mutch PvP as a arranged 1v1 untill 50%hull(I'm guessing thats the kind of PvP you like?). People are unpredictable and thats one of the very interesting things with open play, but still you seem to think that I was being a little to unpredictable for your taste here? Funny thing also is that since your imaginary space ship gets blown up, you break clear forum rules where you name and shame. If I were to post a video of a cheater what you think would happen? Everything about this kill was legit, and still here we are. And for crime and punishment, what kind if punishment do I deserve? A rebuy? Cause I actually got that, did you grief me? Should I be angry about that my imaginary space ship exploded? This is the sort of engagements where I should actually be rewarded, if this had some real PvP mechanic's (like eve for example), I would be rewarded for killing one of the toughest ship in the game. Cutters are near indestructible, even more so 1v1 with a fdl. (And yes this was a 1v1, it was me vs you)
Ok enough about that, over to your evaluation. In GCI (a community center for all pvpers) we do evaluation of peoples performances in PvP engagements and here is yours: 1. you ram the station with with 0 pips shield, this can happen to everyone ofc but in your video I can clearly see that your about to hit the station long before you actually do witch means you had alot of time to move your pips. No harm done yet. 2. you start panicking cause you notice that someone is ramming you, well you have alot of hull and you keep trying to dock, this is the right choice, because if you boost away from the station I would have planted you, get the kill and got away. 3. You notice that i start shooting you and your hull starts going down pretty quick, and here is your critical mistake, you start pulling up as if you were in a agile fighter an were going to make it out of the station again, if you were to just continue in your path and dock you might have made it with 15% or less hull. And then the story would have been very different, you would have had a good laugh about that stupid fdl that tried to kill you inside the station and you would have had a interesting experience that you came out on top of. But alas you did not have the skills or the nerves to do so. You get a 2/10 and your reward is a 12 mill++ rebuy.
Love JohnRaanes, loyal player since 1985
But that's partially the problem, there is no other mode (other than being banished to playing isolated in solo, or, some exclusive player made club in private). Impossible to disagree that open is, and should be 'dangerous'; but it should be free from people exploiting station mechanics to get in cheap effortless kills to. Que open PvE
"Banished" lmao. Guys I'm being banished from Mobius.
Why should I be banished from the open PvE mode into open? This is a scandal I say!
I am now of the opinion that FD are either scared or genuinely at a loss as to how to deal with the problem. It's quite likely that all of this has somewhat taken them by surprise, and their lack of response might point at their inexperience in managing what is, in many respects, an MMO-style environment.
It's clear where the current rules (cf. C&P) came from: an interpretations of DBOBE's 'play it your way' decree. The game in its current state certainly adheres to the letter of that decree, but I doubt many would disagree that it doesn't reflect the spirit of those words. I've watched DBOBE's video piece on his vision for the game many times, and I always come away wanting to be part of the game that he was waxing lyrical about.
What a contrast that vision is to the OP's video, the other things that go on in this game, and the behaviour within these 'ere fora.
Sadly, another case of an unskilled player flying a Cutter and feeling "entitled" to invincibility. Perhaps if you would have properly docked (not rammed the mailslot), 4-pipped your shields (instead of only 2 pipping them, causing them to fall on impact), and docked faster and more accurately (you seem inexperienced with precision flying) you would have survived the attack. Every one of these sob stories has multiple points of failure on the behalf of the aggrieved, and with a little bit of "gitting gud," perhaps you can survive next time!
When content creators like Vindicator have to deal with this sort of thing and end up openly exposing it on YouTube, I think it's time for FDEV to put down their Christmas toys and focus a little bit on the important stuff.
I know that you're building a house, we've heard that story so many times now. The walls are a masterpiece of human engineering, the ground floor furniture is a bit on the '80 side and a lot of it is still missing, and although you haven't even started painting the upper floors, a lot of guests have come to wish you well on your new home.
Except you forgot to fix the pet door, and now a bunch of the neighborhoods' animals have come in, shredded your couch, stained the floor, left a terrible smell and bit your guests, who have all sought refuge in the bathroom. And to top it all, now a news crew parked in front of your house and reports "Abandoned crack den vandalized by stray animals".
I know that you're building a house, we've heard that story so many times now. The walls are a masterpiece of human engineering, the ground floor furniture is a bit on the '80 side and a lot of it is still missing, and although you haven't even started painting the upper floors, a lot of guests have come to wish you well on your new home.
Except you forgot to fix the pet door, and now a bunch of the neighborhoods' animals have come in, shredded your couch, stained the floor, left a terrible smell and bit your guests, who have all sought refuge in the bathroom. And to top it all, now a news crew parked in front of your house and reports "Abandoned crack den vandalized by stray animals".
Admiral Darkcloak
Banned
Mr Jones I have to say I love your videos! But I have to ask. What type of shields were you running? When u hit the station they popped instantly. Seems like the hostile cmdr was in a fdl because he followed you very closely and popped a heatsink before firing. And had a lot of firepower. Whenever going to a CG in open I fly my combat python with 1 32 ton cargo rack. I would rather bring less to the station and survive than die and lose a lot. Just my 2 cents
C&P, unlike clogging itself, is actually something that FD can do something about. (And talk about Karma systems and the like prove that they are at least thinking in that direction.)
I think by this point it's abundantly clear to everyone, even tho they've never admitted it directly to my knowledge, that FD can't reliably tackle clogging given the game's networking limitations :. whatever solution FD come up with it is likely doomed to be insufficient.
Mate, I really couldnt care less you shot me down, as I said, I actually had a good laugh about it after, so how was I angry?
Like I said, its just adding content to my video I am working on. I was specifically in open doing the community goal to record such activity, and was expecting on some occasions to get blown up! its all good.
You can justify it all you want, but waiting outside a station waiting for your chance to pounce on a target for absolutely no reason is just silly, if you think its cool and fun, then I guess I will never understand that mentality.
If you somehow think that was 1 v 1 with me, then that just makes me laugh even harder.. I came in too hot, which was my mistake, took out my own shields.. and I was just being lazy with my pips.. my fault, I will wear it, and I have absolutely no problems admitting it.. All you did was open fire on me when my landing gear was down and I was about to land on the pad!! Cmon mate.. thats not 1 vs 1 PVP.. Not only that but I was in a trade cutter build meaning I had class 6 shields and hardly any boosters anyway! YUP, I could have just landed, but I guess I just wasnt expecting someone to cowardly shoot me down in space dock.. guess I am the stupid one huh! lol
I really couldnt care less that you did it to me, but all your doing is pushing more and more players into solo or private groups by doing this to other less experienced commanders.. if you think thats a good idea, then guess what, one day there will be no one left for you to pick on..
HOWEVER, I will say this. I do apologize for your name being in the video. I honestly did miss it, and have edited the video so your commander name is no longer shown. I am not here to name and shame, just to shine a light on activities that I personally think are toxic for the community.
I have no problems with PVP, Pirating or legitimate activities such as bounty hunting or powerplay.. but shooting a trade ship while its trying to land, is just well.. for me, a really silly thing to do..
Goose4291
Banned
I get what your saying weps, but I disagree that somehow because its happened to a 'content creator' or however we're referring to them these days it requires extra urgency.
Crime and Punishment changes have been discussed at lengths end by the community as a whole and is universally wanted. Because something happened to one individual it doesnt mean it requires extra urgency.
Your case would indeed be solid. A solid case for you being banned.
Get this in to your head. Open allows for people to be like this. Open allows for players to hunt other players. Open allows for players to be jackases. And so long as no cheating is involved, they can pretty much take you out however they can. Your 'point' that Clogging is a 'questionable jackass act' is completely, and utterly moot, as well as, by FDev's stance on it, completely and utterly wrong.
Cheating should indeed be punished. And in this case, you would be, and the 'jackass' wouldn't. Plain and simple.
sadly another SDC member who fails to read anything or take a moment to thinking about the issue. You can try and gloss it over by saying its my fault for screwing up the entry into the station, but shooting down any ship inside a station while its landing gear is down for absolutely no reason is just indicative of the problems within open and no consequences for the actions of those that commit them.
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This has to be the funniest thing I've seen for a long time. A virtual group gets butt hurt over whats someone said about them in a video game and so takes revenge... I don't know if I should be laughing at the sheer stupidity of it or have pity on them for getting so easily offended.
Hopefully the SDC have a bigger pair than that otherwise all their playtime would be taken up trying to track down most of the forum members.
Almost as amusing as people getting all out of shape about a virtual ship blowing up another virtual ship, in a virtual universe, in a game mode that allows for said virtual ship to blow up the other virtual ship.
This entire thread is amusing.
You admit to "making a mistake" and then proceed to complain on a forum about someone besting you? I would be so embarrassed to show anyone this video if I was you... unable to dock, properly fit a ship, or take it on the chin like an adult who made the choice to play IN OPEN PLAY. Really what are you trying to get out of this aside from making yourself look bad?
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This is not a problem. It's a feature. Unskilled and stupid-flying is punished in Open play. Perhaps this isn't the mode for you?
Outfitted incorrectly (clearly by shields on ship with best shields in game)
Only 2 pips in sys for impact from ram.
Instead of landing and surviving pitched upwards for no reason.
Complains about others when there are several things you could of done to avoid what happened.
Only 2 pips in sys for impact from ram.
Instead of landing and surviving pitched upwards for no reason.
Complains about others when there are several things you could of done to avoid what happened.
Because of course, the aggressor made the OP crash his ship and take out all his shields. Amazing exploit of game mechanics...
In other words, had the OP approached the station better, none of this would've happened. That isn't a game exploit, it's an opportunity.