An idea that could fix logging?

besieger · Jul 15, 2017

So I was playing Splatoon 2's splat-fest thing and am loving the game but browsing reddit I saw a post that talked about players pulling their connection during a game they where losing, much to their surprise the game greets them next time with the message below.

Link for broken image: https://i.redditmedia.com/nAE-XQHLf3-HNU9Uw0ff-sBje8_wx9CQFpQXiJYc_2M.jpg?w=1024&

Thoughts?

Mohrgan · Jul 15, 2017

I'm sure the makers of Splattime were sure that those guys were cheating, due to their networking scheme. or some such. I am sure FD would like to have the confidence to punish people for combat logging. As evidenced by how they quickly and openly they punished those guys who were cheating the Engineers mechanic. You do remember that, right?

Han_Zen · Jul 15, 2017

besieger said:
So I was playing Splatoon 2's splat-fest thing and am loving the game but browsing reddit I saw a post that talked about players pulling their connection during a game they where losing, much to their surprise the game greets them next time with the message below.

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Link for broken image: http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg

Thoughts?

A solid statistical model that monitores the stiuation players are in, at the moment of ungraceful exit.

If a player repeatedly disconects during combat,without any prior network issues, the game could great them with a spinning Sidewinder.

besieger · Jul 15, 2017

Han_Zen said:
A solid statistical model that monitores the stiuation players are in, at the moment of ungraceful exit.

If a player repeatedly disconects during combat,without any prior network issues, the game could great them with a spinning Sidewinder.

That would be quite the shock, so long as there is a message to compliment the loading screen, it could form the first stage of a process to warn the player their actions are being monitored.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead · Jul 15, 2017

I already suggested a pretty fool proof way to curb illegal Combat Logging, but doesn't punish genuine disconnects. It went down quite well.

Good luck finding it though.

Even I don't know which thread it ended up in.

Really need to make my own dedicated thread so I can atleast find the bloody thing again...

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

Mohrgan · Jul 15, 2017

I wonder what the appropriate message would have been to those guys that lost Modifications? FD lost a golden opportunity right there too.

jasonbarron · Jul 15, 2017

That's actually pretty funny.

Sorry Harry, that's what's called "picking the low hanging fruit"

Mohrgan · Jul 15, 2017

jasonbarron said:
That's actually pretty funny.

Sorry Harry, that's what's called "picking the low hanging fruit"

I'm sorry that you feel the need to apologize to Harry? What does he have to do with it?

Cmnd Fulsom · Jul 15, 2017

I think the real solution is to ban the account of any person who D/Cs ever. It's the only way to solve the problem of people combat logging.

Stay Frosty

Cmnd Fulsom

GG7 · Jul 15, 2017

Cmnd Fulsom said:
I think the real solution is to ban the account of any person who D/Cs ever. It's the only way to solve the problem of people combat logging.

Stay Frosty

Cmnd Fulsom

[rolleyes]

Would be an empty game in no time at all.

I think you need a crash course in network technology.

jasonbarron · Jul 15, 2017

All jokes aside, Harry is on to something. It seems kind of weird that Fdev hasn't already implemented something like that.

Stigbob · Jul 15, 2017

I may have a better solution than a broken link OP.

In the interests of science I've been adding confirmed cheats to my block list tonight, then testing it's effects on instancing afterwards. I can confirm the block function does seem finally to be working at preventing instancing with undesirables, you should make use of this handy and convenient feature to stop those pesky cloggers from hurting your feelings.

Cmnd Fulsom · Jul 15, 2017

Look, man, people pay good money for this game. And the fact of the matter is, I would much rather have FDev do nothing at all and let all the combat loggers just get away with it, than one single person who just had their service drop lose potentially hundreds of dollars of content which they rightfully own.

Stay Frosty

Cmnd Fulsom

Red Anders · Jul 16, 2017

besieger said:
Thoughts?

I think the image is still broken.

Cosmos · Jul 16, 2017

Cmnd Fulsom said:
Look, man, people pay good money for this game. And the fact of the matter is, I would much rather have FDev do nothing at all and let all the combat loggers just get away with it, than one single person who just had their service drop lose potentially hundreds of dollars of content which they rightfully own.

Stay Frosty

Cmnd Fulsom

Hate to break this to you but you don't own anything. You have a license to access the game, thats it.

DNA-Decay · Jul 16, 2017

Link to pic?

Cosmos · Jul 16, 2017

besieger said:
So I was playing Splatoon 2's splat-fest thing and am loving the game but browsing reddit I saw a post that talked about players pulling their connection during a game they where losing, much to their surprise the game greets them next time with the message below.

http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg
Link for broken image: http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg

Thoughts?

No rational reason why not apart from the fact Frontier have turned a blind eye to combat logging. The 15 second log out timer is revealing enough.

Playing devils advocate, the networking is so dodgy its a certainty people would get flagged through no fault of their own.

Still, no system would be perfect in any event. I've never actually been disconnected during a fight. Whats needed is a deterrent in the absence of it being impossible combat log.

The simplest solution, in my view, would be that if you lose connection during combat with another player you log in to the rebuy screen. They'd never actually do this of course.. Just imagine the forum crying..

znôrt · Jul 16, 2017

GG7 said:
Would be an empty game in no time at all.

indeed. but it's webscale!

GG7 said:
I think you need a crash course in network technology.

dude this is getting really old. you guys never get tired to repeat this nonsense.

how to treat a dc is a purely political question, has nothing to do with the technical challenge of running a server with thousands of players properly, which is standard business practice for over a zillion games. this is more than solved. it's a non-issue.

if you happen to have a sub-standard network system that suffers a lot of dcs, whatever the excuses, then that's an entirely a different problem, and a player/user/customer doesn't need a crash course in network technology to evidence it. in any case, it could benefit somebody else.

Riverside · Jul 16, 2017

besieger said:
So I was playing Splatoon 2's splat-fest thing and am loving the game but browsing reddit I saw a post that talked about players pulling their connection during a game they where losing, much to their surprise the game greets them next time with the message below.

http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg
Link for broken image: http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg

Thoughts?

Not played Splatoon2 but my son has played the original & it's a sessioned PvP game much like CQC. AFAIK CLogging isn't much of a problem in CQC, if you leave a session you can't re-join that session, you just go back into the queue for another session.

Are there examples of other P2P openworld multiplayer games? How do they handle CLogging?

znôrt · Jul 16, 2017

Riverside said:
Are there examples of other P2P openworld multiplayer games? How do they handle CLogging?

why p2p? any open world multiplayer game has a basic set of network requirements, being implemented in p2p is not one of them.

are there examples of people eating a soup with a screwdriver?